Boxing

[President]

Initially when I found the server I spent 20 minutes trying to log in two chars at a time until someone told me I couldn't.

I have 2-3 box'd on every EQemu server, and even back in EQ I would duo or trio sometimes.



I am sooooo happy this server does not allow boxing. I have had more fun playing 1 character than any time I ever played two or more on the other EMU servers.


For those complaining about not getting a group, you obviously aren't trying. I have found a group or duo/trio partners within 30 minutes of logging in every time since I started, and I'm a warrior.


I could see boxing getting allowed further down the line for the server, but at this point it does not even seem necessary.


Also - Interesting point - I don't remember being able to box until the very least past Kunark. It wasn't possibly until EQWindows came out.. right?

[President]

http://wadeb.com/eq/

EQWindow wasn't done until December of 2000. So, if we wanted to stay with "Classic" not boxing until then.

[Kreigore]

Throttle's post sums it up nicely.

That being said, I believe two-boxing will be needed at some point and I would support it.

At this point, I haven't had a huge problem finding a group as a level 16 Shadow Knight, but my solo ability is limited due to fear kiting issues. Mob run speed is a bit tweaked and it has been said that it is unlikely to be fixed.

[President]

Originally Posted by Kreigore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as a level 16 Shadow Knight, but my solo ability is limited due to fear kiting issues.

Ive watched lots of SK's kiting. Not to say you don't have a complaint (xp penalty kind of sucks) but try being a rogue/warrior/ranger/monk/paladin right now.

[Reiker]

I've boxed for most of my EQ career, either it being my own characters or logging in an extra cleric on a raid. First of all, boxing isn't "anti-classic"... people were boxing from day 1 on multiple computers. EQWindows isn't exactly an important factor here.

I think anyone who truly believes boxing will have some sort of negative effect on the server is a bit delusional. There's never been one time where I felt "oh gee, I'm boxing a shaman and a monk... I can't do whatever I want, I'm INVINCIBLE!" Rather... I frequently grouped with my main (shaman) or both chars. Yes, boxing makes holding down camps like frenzy by yourself a bit easier; but first of all it's not exactly free loot for boxers, as the difficulty of the game increases tenfold, and EQ is a pretty difficult game to start with. I know there's many people here who start to develop a headache just thinking of leveling and gearing 2 individual chars to 50... we're talking double the exp loss, double the horrible CRs, etc. Second of all, I've never heard of anyone ever not joining their friends just because they could box something themselves. 2 people does not a great group make. Being able to box 2 toons just gives you a headstart when trying to get a group started.

Low population servers (read: any emulated EQ server and even the live EQ servers) require boxing to truly be well-rounded gaming experiences. I'm not saying this server is horrible because boxing isn't allowed, its the best eqemu server out there and the only server that disallows boxing. I'm just saying that if boxing was allowed, myself and many others would be playing with a renewed fervor.

The only server that offers a legitimate, difficult, classicesque experience is Shards of Dalaya. They even share the same sentiments towards boxing, but the difference is they realize that they're only hurting their own efforts by disallowing boxing. If they were to remove boxing tomorrow, the entire server would probably fall apart, and Project 1999 is only a notch more successful right now.

[Derazor]

I had different opinions on this. At first, I think the idea of not boxing was pretty neat.

Having played for awhile and seeing into the future of the server, I would definitely condone boxing and support its use. Defeating Kunark and Velious content will make it nearly a neccessity, and it would definitely be nice to able to box through these droughts of LFG time. I thought I had a fairly high play time as is and im only level 17 - I play during the week after work for a few hours a night. The population we have is now stretched over a great deal of level ranges.

I vote to box.

[President]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second of all, I've never heard of anyone ever not joining their friends just because they could box something themselves. 2 people does not a great group make.

Really? Because I run into Magi's & Necro's every day who would rather solo than group. What makes you think it would be any different if people were boxxing?


And ya.. tarded two computers.. guess eqwindows doesn't make a difference!


Strangely though, you guys say tons of people two box'd from day 1. I literally cannot think of a single instance I ran into someone actively playing two chars at the same time before Velious. Ya, maybe your buddies/guildies box'd, but more pop on the server than not? Don't think so.

Personally I'm having a blast playing 1 char at a time, and the server has hit over 300 people online at once. I would be pretty impressed if the hardware could handle over 500, and personally, id rather see us fill up 500 single player chars, then use our current population and kill the server hardware with boxing.

Really, I probably wouldn't continue playing if boxing was allowed at this point, though, I could see it later in the game.

[Reiker]

Well I've yet to ever see a soloing mage/necro turn down a group invite, and I've grouped with my own mage just because flat out the exp is better. But of course ymmv.

Also, I'm not sure what this server is running, but I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that it could handle 500 simultaneous players without a hitch. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Cribanox]

You could always two box, with two computers. (I used to)

[Kreigore]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive watched lots of SK's kiting. Not to say you don't have a complaint (xp penalty kind of sucks) but try being a rogue/warrior/ranger/monk/paladin right now.

I doubt a lot of them were "fear kiting" as we used to know it as SKs. Typically, it would go something like this: snare, dot and fear a mob and the SK would melee it while it was snared/feared. The mobs are much too fast here.

I've kited mobs too, but not as I used to. More or less, I have SOW and I'll snare/dot to get aggro and have my pet slowly melee it to death. As I run around, lifetapping and finish it off while meleeing.