Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Go WIS for your starting stat.

STA is generally easier to cap with Velious era gear.

You get 1-2 STA buffs (Riotous Health and Hammer of the Dragonborn clickie). You can buff WIS by 10 points with bear illusion, but that's it.

At level 60 you get 3HP per STA, so the starting stats only shake out to an extra 75 HP, assuming you aren't capped. 25 WIS is going to be 150-250ish mana depending on if you are over 200 WIS. 2HP = 1 mana in terms of cannibalize, so having that extra mana means you are saving more HP during an encounter due to potentially using less cannibalizes before you run out of mana. 150 mana = 300hp not cannibalized.

Again, STA is generally easier to cap than WIS, so you will be under 255 WIS more often. My Shaman with raid gear only has 200ish WIS. This is because good Shaman gear is typically more tanky, and doesn't have caster stats, such as Fungi Tunic.

Finally, if 75HP was the difference between life and death in an encounter, the problem wasn't your starting stats.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go WIS for your starting stat.

STA is generally easier to cap with Velious era gear.

You get 1-2 STA buffs (Riotous Health and Hammer of the Dragonborn clickie). You can buff WIS by 10 points with bear illusion, but that's it.

At level 60 you get 3HP per STA, so the starting stats only shake out to an extra 75 HP, assuming you aren't capped. 25 WIS is going to be 150-250ish mana depending on if you are over 200 WIS. 2HP = 1 mana in terms of cannibalize, so having that extra mana means you are saving more HP during an encounter due to potentially using less cannibalizes before you run out of mana. 150 mana = 300hp not cannibalized.

Again, STA is generally easier to cap than WIS, so you will be under 255 WIS more often. My Shaman with raid gear only has 200ish WIS. This is because good Shaman gear is typically more tanky, and doesn't have caster stats, such as Fungi Tunic.

Finally, if 75HP was the difference between life and death in an encounter, the problem wasn't your starting stats.

You’re 200ish wis in balanced raid gear. If OP has balanced non raid gear, he should be well under 200 wis. Most of the 25Wis will be 12mana per.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You’re 200ish wis in balanced raid gear. If OP has balanced non raid gear, he should be well under 200 wis. Most of the 25Wis will be 12mana per.

Yup, and I am capped on STA, so WIS is the only stat I can increase now. Having that extra 25 STA wouldn't help me at all.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go WIS for your starting stat.

STA is generally easier to cap with Velious era gear.

You get 1-2 STA buffs (Riotous Health and Hammer of the Dragonborn clickie).

Do you even read the conversation before participating? This is a discussion of non-high-end raiding Shaman ... and you use an item from VP?

Everyone wants to argue with me, but no one wants to talk about what a non-guild (or at least non-top-end-guild) Shaman actually does with their time, and why more HP or more Mana would help them do it better.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even read the conversation before participating? This is a discussion of non-high-end raiding Shaman ... and you use an item from VP?

I did read the conversation, you are just being stubborn and wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Starting stats only really matter endgame due to stat scaling. 25 STA basically gives you nothing for the first 30 levels or so. The WIS is still going to give you more benefit even at lower levels. If 30HP was the difference between life and death at level 30ish, the problem wasn't your starting stats. More mana = less canni = more HP saved, even at lower levels. And pre-canni you are basically getting no HP from STA.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did read the conversation, you are just being stubborn and wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Starting stats only really matter endgame due to stat scaling. 25 STA basically gives you nothing for the first 30 levels or so. The WIS is still going to give you more benefit even at lower levels. If 30HP was the difference between life and death at level 30ish, the problem wasn't your starting stats. More mana = less canni = more HP saved, even at lower levels. And pre-canni you are basically getting no HP from STA.

So what's "endgame" for a non-raid Shaman? Again, what are you thinking when you imagine "a non-raid Shaman" playing EQ?

I'm imagining that Shaman farming plat for upgrades, because that's the only way to get upgrades without raiding. I imagine them farming the places I keep repeating because they are uniquely good for Shaman and not for other classes (Crypt, WW Dragons, PoM A4, etc.). One other person in the thread imagines them soloing Sebilitie Protectors.

We have to be on the same page with what we're talking about or we're just talking past each other.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what's "endgame" for a non-raid Shaman? Again, what are you thinking when you imagine "a non-raid Shaman" playing EQ?

Level 60. For most casuals they never even get to 60. Stats scale with level, so the more casual (lower level probably) you are, the less they matter anyway. WIS scales better at all levels compared to STA for a Shaman, so you are still getting more bang for your buck. Again, more mana = less HP cannibalized.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm imagining that Shaman farming plat for upgrades, because that's the only way to get upgrades without raiding. I imagine them farming the places I keep repeating because they are uniquely good for Shaman and not for other classes (Crypt, WW Dragons, PoM A4, etc.). One other person in the thread imagines them soloing Sebilitie Protectors.

Why are you setting up weird little straw men?

I never imagined them soloing Sebilite Protectors. You asked me what I thought was a tough solo for a shaman and I answered, while also noting it's lack of relevancy.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what's "endgame" for a non-raid Shaman? Again, what are you thinking when you imagine "a non-raid Shaman" playing EQ?

I'm imagining that Shaman farming plat for upgrades, because that's the only way to get upgrades without raiding. I imagine them farming the places I keep repeating because they are uniquely good for Shaman and not for other classes (Crypt, WW Dragons, PoM A4, etc.). One other person in the thread imagines them soloing Sebilitie Protectors.

We have to be on the same page with what we're talking about or we're just talking past each other.

I don't imagine them soloing Sebilite Protectors. Again that was brought up in response to a question of yours and I noted that it wasn't relevant.

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So a fight against Sebilite Protector for example. You are going to want that mana. He has really high MR so root doesn't last more than a few seconds, and he could take 4-7 slow attempts on average. You won't be able to torpor and you really can't stand and take hits.

Anyway this is mostly irrelevant.

The reason i call this a straw man is because you were arguing that the rest of us weren't evaluating the situation appropriately as it pertains to OP. And you have me set up like a straw man.

straw man
/ˌstrô ˈman/
noun

1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

[JDAm0nk]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even read the conversation before participating? This is a discussion of non-high-end raiding Shaman ... and you use an item from VP?

Everyone wants to argue with me, but no one wants to talk about what a non-guild (or at least non-top-end-guild) Shaman actually does with their time, and why more HP or more Mana would help them do it better.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before 60 no one is maxing any stats, so I'be been assuming the conversation starts at 60: personally I'm not even trying to discuss <60 here.

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