Why can't players choose to be atheist in EverQuest?

[Elfminster]

Brad McQuaid says, "God exists".
Brad McQuaid says, "God is mortal and evil and waiting for you to kill"
Brad McQuaid, says, "You can choose to hate god"
Player says, "Ok, cool"
Atheist says, "God doesn't exist to me though so where's that option?"
Braid McQuaid, "Not an option"
Atheist says, "Ok, cool"

Fantasy writer says, "all fantasy is inspired by reality".

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty hard to be atheist when you can literally see and kill gods.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why have agnostic as an option?

An atheist would say that there is no proof your god is actually a god.

IIRC technically we're only presented with the avatars of the gods. So if atheism existed, it would have given way to agnosticism once the populace of Norrath became aware of beings greater than themselves that were or at least seemed to be godlike. Plus every player and non-player character respawns after dying, so there would be that to grapple with as well. Ultimately, the devs are the actual gods. Guides/GMs are a close second, but even they have been killed by players and only have had so much power / so many commands.

[Danth]

Quite probably this is because McQuaid was rather religious himself and allowing the pagan sort of diety options was about as far as he was willing to go, and even then only begrudgingly. It's also why there are very few "demon" type creatures in the original game, and none of significant stature.

[Mblake1981]

They already have Woke D&D, OP. The art styles are hideous and mostly digital trash.

[Elfminster]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IIRC technically we're only presented with the avatars of the gods. So if atheism existed, it would have given way to agnosticism once the populace of Norrath became aware of beings greater than themselves that were or at least seemed to be godlike. Plus every player and non-player character respawns after dying, so there would be that to grapple with as well. Ultimately, the devs are the actual gods. Guides/GMs are a close second, but even they have been killed by players and only have had so much power / so many commands.

Where did you get all this from? Did somebody tell you or did you come up with it yourself? Where did you get your definition of god and godlike from? How do we know it's the correct definition or can godlike be whatever you want it to be?

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did you get all this from? Did somebody tell you or did you come up with it yourself?

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Triconix
Augur

Axxius said: ↑
“Quarm = Fennin Ro + The Rathe + Xegony + Povar + E'ci + Coirnav.”
This isn't true. Quarm is just a manifestation/incarnation of the Gods' powers. It's simply a physical being created by the Gods coalescing their powers. Same thing with Coirnav. It isn't a God, just a physical avatar, containing some of the essence of the Triumvirate of Water that watches over the Plane of Water.

When I think of it, I don't believe we have killed any God in its true form. We've only killed their Avatars/manifestations. Just like reality, we can only comprehend things in the 3rd dimension. Gods traverse through more than just 3 dimensions, which is something you see in SoD with the 4th dimension (time) being created as a physical manifestation (3rd dimension) so we can understand it and travel through it.

Think of it this way: If you kill the God of War, war simply ceases to exist. Everquest still has wars, yes? Therefore, we've never killed Rallos Zek's (and all of the sub-deities) true form.

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Drayven
New Member
Balbasur said: ↑
“From a lore stand point you WOULD know if the deities are walking around Norrath it should be advertised via Server Wide anncounments.”
From a lore standpoint SOE screwed up really bad.

These shouldn't be the gods themselves but rather their AVATARS. Instead of Tunare it should be Avatar of Growth. avatar = a physical manifestation of a god's will on the mortal world. From a lore standpoint, didn't we just do a huge bazillion quest long signature line that required consulting a fallen Roehn Theer, getting permission from both Tunare and Cazic Thule (projections of them mind you) to execute a rather complicated and detailed plan involving 3 demi gods of war as well, just to confront and slay one god of Norrath, which had ramifications that were part of the basis for the current expansion pack? But now Rodcet Nife decides to hang out in Antonica, he gets quiety and quickly bitchslapped for a couple of fabled items, and Norrath keeps on turning.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=33089

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a Koalindl says, 'Foolish mortal! You have disturbed the Prime Healer as he swims in the guise of his creatures. For this... you shall perish!'

Your faction standing with RodcetNife has been adjusted by -2000.

In most lore, Zek was depicted as towering, muscular man with skin like magma, clad in golden armor, and crowned with a spiked helm with horns protruding out either side. This is also how the Avatar of War appears when summoned in the city of Kael.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_Projection_(LOIO)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_...ion_(Overthere)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

Astral projection is a term used in esotericism to describe an intentional out-of-body experience that assumes the existence of a subtle body called an "astral body" through which consciousness can function separately from the physical body and travel throughout the astral plane.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did you get your definition of god and godlike from?

Multiple sources. This is what google offered when searching for "god": (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do we know it's the correct definition or can godlike be whatever you want it to be?

We don't, and that unknowable quality contributes to something/one being considered a god or godlike.

[Elfminster]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Multiple sources. This is what google offered when searching for "god": (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

Where did those sources get their definition of god/godlike from?

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't, and that unknowable quality contributes to something/one being considered a god or godlike.

Where did you get this description of god from?

[Reiwa]

because norrath hasn't invented calvinism yet

[Elfminster]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because norrath hasn't invented calvinism yet

I'm pretty sure calvinism existed when Verant was creating religious maniacs and agnostics and choosing to leave out atheists.

Verant didn't allow players to fully reject their version of god or the concept of god.

Verant didn't provide any scientific evidence to proof that gods really do exist and that their gods are real gods yet everybody is either a believer or undecided but not atheist.

[Jibartik]

It’s because there’s no such thing as atheism.