To Hit vs Proc.

[falkun]

Weapon skill doesn't affect your chance to hit? I am enjoying missing with my 0 2HB skill on my bard. Allows me to keep things mezzed while I port, cuz I sure as hell can't tank em.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weapon skill doesn't affect your chance to hit? I am enjoying missing with my 0 2HB skill on my bard. Allows me to keep things mezzed while I port, cuz I sure as hell can't tank em.

you not missing - you hitting for 0 damage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you not missing - you hitting for 0 damage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, I'd see those numbers. They'd average out to about what I'm hitting now with weapons I have skill for. MMMM, bard DPS. Tastes good, but always leaves you hungry for more.

[Extunarian]

It's been over a year since I've looked and it may have been changed in the p99 branch of the eqemu source...

but IIRC the only thing that your 'hit or miss check' is based on is level difference and the agility of the target.

[Cippofra]

Not sure I understand this. Weapon skill doesn't affect how often you miss according to these explanations. Based on what has been said weapon skill affects how hard you hit only

[greatdane]

Well, I'm not one hundred percent sure because I haven't seen the code, but years and years of experience and general consensus suggests that weapon skill affects chance to hit and damage done, though the latter isn't as linear.

It's true that a succesful hit can deal 0 damage after AC calculations and will then be displayed as a miss. I'm disinclined to believe that weapon skill doesn't affect hit chance at all and that missing often due to low weapon skill is purely because you deal 0 damage with almost every swing.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's true that a succesful hit can deal 0 damage after AC calculations and will then be displayed as a miss.

I didn't know that it worked that way. But even if I did 0 damage, wouldn't hitting for any damage, even 0, break mez?

Can weapons proc on "true" misses? Can they only proc on 0-dmg misses?

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't know that it worked that way. But even if I did 0 damage, wouldn't hitting for any damage, even 0, break mez?

Hitting for zero isn't hitting and doing damage. Same concept as how a root is a detrimental action which won't break a mez because it does no damage.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't know that it worked that way. But even if I did 0 damage, wouldn't hitting for any damage, even 0, break mez?

You need to inflict damage to break a mez, so a 0-damage "hit" is still a miss for that purpose.

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can weapons proc on "true" misses? Can they only proc on 0-dmg misses?

They can proc on any swing. Hit/miss/zero-damage-hit doesn't play into it.

[Extunarian]

Well kika seems to think that Absolutely Nothing - including weapon skill - affects hit rate.

Like I said I don't know how close the p99 branch is to the public branch of the eqemu source, but that code indicates that level difference, weapon skill of the attacker, and agility of the defender all play a part. This is to calculate whether a hit or miss happens, and the damage mitigation part comes afterward.