Would I be stupid to want to roll a second pally?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd be content to complete Fiery Avenger, and I'm not far away from it, to be frank. I have both SoulFire and Ghoulbane, and maxed Deepwater Knights faction. What I need is a Book of Scale to do Miragul, and then make the turn-in on PoS.

I think you should be able to swing that without too much effort. Probably less effort than re-leveling 1-50. Start reaching out to some guilds, see if they are interested in selling you the books, and maybe even a kill team. Guilds like money.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still want to get at least Fiery Avenger on my Dwarf Pally, but one, it's hard finding someone selling a Book of Scale, and two, I don't know if I can get a group together to go kill Miragul.

He's on a 7-day timer, and for all I know he could be constantly tagged the second he goes up. And I'm not sure if his head/robe can be MQ'd.

I don't know about blue,but on green miragul is usually up for hours after it spawns.

Any raiding guild can get you the books

[Philistine]

I agree with everyone else! If it sounds fun do it!

[Barlu]

I made a High Elf Pally based on how cool the Natures Defender looks and how accessible it was. At level 60 I absolutely regret my race decision and would have gone with pretty much anything else.

It is difficult to max strength and stamina on a high elf, and as was previously mentioned the extra wisdom isn’t usually going to make or break a situation. You are also almost never going to be a healer in group play. A Deepwater BP can do a decent job of recovering and is amazing for solo, but it is better in a duo or trio than a full group.

High Elf is definitely the min max choice, and the charisma is nice for lulls, but your starting tanking stats are really bad. If I decided to gear my pally more maybe I’d feel differently, but it’s a significant investment you’ll have to make.

[Loadsamoney]

Well, if I eventually go for it, I would do it by buying a full set of Tigeraptor armor for my Ranger (5k for a full set shouldn't be too bad), then his gear could go towards the new Paladin, mostly Crystal Chitin with Silver Chitin wristbands, and a couple items from my Dwarf Pally.

The only concern is the low starting strength, and I'm superstitious about starting below 75 with any primary stat, so I'd probably use my bonus points to get both Str and Sta up to 75, and my base Dex up to 75 too, just to shore up the High Elf's starting weaknesses.

I'm actually considering Half Elf too, but that butthole Wisdom score is very offputting. Why do Half-Elves have such crap Wisdom to begin with? And why does every caster/hybrid class they can play, excluding Bard, use Wisdom as its primary mana stat, while their decent 75 Int gets wasted?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do Half-Elves have such crap Wisdom to begin with?

Apparently in-game they're supposed to have a tendency towards rash and impulsive behavior, reflected by their low wisdom score. There's also apparently bigotry against them, hence why none of the churches will ordain them as clerics. It's a hard life being a half-elf, I guess.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently in-game they're supposed to have a tendency towards rash and impulsive behavior, reflected by their low wisdom score. There's also apparently bigotry against them, hence why none of the churches will ordain them as clerics. It's a hard life being a half-elf, I guess.

High Elf seems the clear pick then.

If you tally up their starting stats vs Dwarf Pally, they actually have higher stats overall than Dwarf, 572 vs 558. So I think there would be enough separation between HE Pally vs Dwarf Pally to make it interesting.

Wouldn't be for a while though, not until I level up my Druid to at least 44, preferably to 46 and complete the Epic. As opposed to Ranger, Druid Epic is actually one that I feel confident about being able to finish, even if I have to MQ it, since the running around aspect is so easy for Druids with their porting.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you tally up their starting stats vs Dwarf Pally, they actually have higher stats overall than Dwarf, 572 vs 558. So I think there would be enough separation between HE Pally vs Dwarf Pally to make it interesting.
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I want to comment on the starting stats thing.

If you remove intelligence, a totally useless stat for a paladin in every way, you have 480 points in the high elf, and 498 points in the dwarf. 325 high elf and 338 dwarf if you also remove dex and agility (dwarf has really high dex)

Just saying, the only thing you really miss is the charisma and if you haven't had trouble with your lulls you probably wont. Some people prefer to be able to use critical lull resists to pull anyways.

high elf is one of the worst paladin race choices until they are end game velious geared. It takes a lot of top gear to make up for having pitiful melee stats.

Even a half elf with all points to wisdom would be better. They can still worship tunare can't they? Way better strength way better dex almost the same charisma, terrible wisdom.

But for normal people, dwarf is arguably the best choice. A lot of people would go human because they have decent melee stats and aren't gimped in charisma or wisdom. That would probably be the race i recommend to you if you did wanna roll a second one.

But id say, only do it for the fun of leveling again, not to change what you can do with your class, which won't happen by changing a few starting stats.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to comment on the starting stats thing.

If you remove intelligence, a totally useless stat for a paladin in every way, you have 480 points in the high elf, and 498 points in the dwarf. 325 high elf and 338 dwarf if you also remove dex and agility (dwarf has really high dex)

Just saying, the only thing you really miss is the charisma and if you haven't had trouble with your lulls you probably wont. Some people prefer to be able to use critical lull resists to pull anyways.

high elf is one of the worst paladin race choices until they are end game velious geared. It takes a lot of top gear to make up for having pitiful melee stats.

Even a half elf with all points to wisdom would be better. They can still worship tunare can't they? Way better strength way better dex almost the same charisma, terrible wisdom.

But for normal people, dwarf is arguably the best choice. A lot of people would go human because they have decent melee stats and aren't gimped in charisma or wisdom. That would probably be the race i recommend to you if you did wanna roll a second one.

But id say, only do it for the fun of leveling again, not to change what you can do with your class, which won't happen by changing a few starting stats.

The main reason would be for access to Nature's Defender. No Bash, but 45AC on a weapon is nothing to sneeze at, especially if it's considered shield AC like I've been told, and thus ignores the AC cap. FD still beats it overall, but I've heard ND is the 3rd best tanking weapon for a Tunare Pally.

[sajbert]

A suggestion would be to go more on the lull-side with heavy investment into charisma. With the glamour sword clicky a high elf that went full cha doesn’t really need any charisma gear and can comfortably invest in strong melee gear. A dwarf even with full cha will probably want some cha pieces on switch for lulls and without pts into cha it’s probably not worth bothering unless maybe you have godly gear.

HE is the superior choice in my view, good wisdom too. That said, female dwarfs are the coolest.