Come join the <Riot> today!

[zati]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, RNF has always been about this sort of thing like you said. But honestly part of it is trying to motivate them. I *want* a more competitive raid scene. It's the only reason I play.

No you don't..? Lol. Making the raid scene more competitive would be joining the supposedly dying guild on the server OR helping lead a new emerging guild learn raid rules so they can compete. Only guilds I see that are capable r Kittens / TSS and Eclipse but their loot system is handled differently so they probably won't rally up to challenge V. Also even if you combined all these guilds into one their neckbeard to casual player ratio isn't there; you've got them all in Vanquish or Riot and the "easy choice" is to join the top guild for easy loot as you pointed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


loads up cs
*presses tab*
15 counter terrorists vs 7 terrorists
joins counter terrorist team
camps opposing team spawn point and call them names to motivate em to play better

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only guilds I see that are capable r Kittens / TSS and Eclipse but their loot system is handled differently so they probably won't rally up to challenge V. Also even if you combined all these guilds into one their neckbeard to casual player ratio isn't there; you've got them all in Vanquish or Riot and the "easy choice" is to join the top guild for easy loot as you pointed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kittens brought 120 to kill AoW last summer during the draft, but most of those people aren't interested in 16 hour window poopsocks and 3am growth clears. I'd guess TSS is in a similar boat. Eclipse is small group of people, by design, as far as I can tell. all of the megasweaties are in riot and vanq already (probably they've mostly all moved to vanq by now because as you say they're not interested in competition they're interested in easy pixels from the loot conveyor).

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kittens brought 120 to kill AoW last summer during the draft, but most of those people aren't interested in 16 hour window poopsocks and 3am growth clears. I'd guess TSS is in a similar boat. Eclipse is small group of people, by design, as far as I can tell. all of the megasweaties are in riot and vanq already (probably they've mostly all moved to vanq by now because as you say they're not interested in competition they're interested in easy pixels from the loot conveyor).

I'd like to see variance removed tbh

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to see variance removed tbh

But that would eliminate 100s of man-hours per week needed to 'compete' and make it where normal people could reasonably play in the 'raid scene' (lol)

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you don't..? Lol. Making the raid scene more competitive would be joining the supposedly dying guild on the server OR helping lead a new emerging guild learn raid rules so they can compete. Only guilds I see that are capable r Kittens / TSS and Eclipse but their loot system is handled differently so they probably won't rally up to challenge V. Also even if you combined all these guilds into one their neckbeard to casual player ratio isn't there; you've got them all in Vanquish or Riot and the "easy choice" is to join the top guild for easy loot as you pointed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


loads up cs
*presses tab*
15 counter terrorists vs 7 terrorists
joins counter terrorist team
camps opposing team spawn point and call them names to motivate em to play better

1v1 me kid

[zati]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1v1 me kid

Violence only creates more violence; but if you see me in game and duel me I will glady accept the challenge. We'll draw the square and set the terms and conditions..

/Plants sword into the ground
/Prays to Lord Innoruuk for the new born he is about to receive

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Violence only creates more violence

If violence doesn’t solve all your problems, then you’re not using enough of it

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I forgot Lady Mirenella and Zlexak!



I mean, RNF has always been about this sort of thing like you said. But honestly part of it is trying to motivate them. I *want* a more competitive raid scene. It's the only reason I play.

You are in a guild of 500+ raiders who gobbles up every mob seconds after it spawns before other guilds can even log in enough of a force. That is the opposite of competition. If you want competition go create or join a smaller guild and make some competition!

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are in a guild of 500+ raiders who gobbles up every mob seconds after it spawns before other guilds can even log in enough of a force. That is the opposite of competition. If you want competition go create or join a smaller guild and make some competition!

^^

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are in a guild of 500+ raiders who gobbles up every mob seconds after it spawns before other guilds can even log in enough of a force. That is the opposite of competition. If you want competition go create or join a smaller guild and make some competition!

While I don't disagree in principle, I am not a leader. Due to my lengthy history with this game, I've been guilded with or against *most* raiders Leaders and playmakers are obviously incredibly valuable to a guilds success. But reliably support players are important to. Sometimes, simply *knowing your role* an focusing on being better at it, is *the* way to get BETTER.

In the case of Vanquish - Tawanda is a Leader. Furoar is a Raid Leader. Venice is a Playmaker. I am a Supporter. (these are 4 people chosen randomly for the purpose of explaining my point). All 4 of these people are equally important to a guilds shared success. If we were in a canoe, we'd all be paddling in the same direction.

As a supporter, I consider my most important roles to fulfill are - helping with ports and raid prep (moving idols and park toons), being good at most/all classes (flexibility), doing what I'm told by the Leaders, not trying to be one of the other 3 roles (well, anyone *can* be a playmaker at times), being reliable (for example, you need 1 bard for Fear, 2-4 Bards for PoG, 1-3 Encs for VS. If I park those, I show up immediately because the whole raid is dependent on it.) You get the idea.

I've been around for a bit in this game. Most guilds are pretty much the same outside of the leadership (everything BUT the support basically). I don't even speak on Voice, I will never be a leader.

But I'll always respect them. Despite the fact I've been lucky enough to be blessed to play with some of the best players ever in this game, I've always respected the leaders of the #2+ guilds greatly. In Awakened, I respected Detoxx. Early on, we decimated Aftermath with half the numbers. Some demoralizing stuff. One favorite example is they wiped to AoW with 100 or so people, we had 25 people waiting "just in case." Yeah, they wiped at 5% Triple pants. (I'll never forget this one cause my roommate at the time got pants for like 300 dkp from it).

But they never gave up. They focused on GETTING BETTER. Eventually, with an assist from Sirken, they overcame Awakened. Detoxx himself became a better leader and rehabbed his reputation. Now his legacy is secure. I respect that.

Riot's leadership is a mess. They are mostly Paradigm Shift guys who are resentful of members hailing from other guilds. I learned this the hard way. They didn't know me, and didn't like me from the start because of my origins. They ended up petitioning me for 2 boxing and bidding on an item using my brother's DKP. Anyone from Awakened would know this was silly, for numerous reasons, not the least of which being I can afford to buy plenty of them. But their yes-men leadership bought it because they'd never talked to me in their lives, they ran me off, and of course their petition was dismissed with prejudice. These types of charades damage everything about a guild, morale, reputation, etc. Eveything trickles down from leadership.

I do not like the current zerg meta. I do not like the current anti-competition meta. I want it changed. But we need raid rules that incentivize it.