Regarding major changes

[Slave]

Originally Posted by kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there were a switch to flip, it would have been done Oct. 2009. You're severely underestimating the time it takes (mostly in research) a handful of people to reverse engineer all of these formulas.

I probably am. Thank you for your posts, they were very informative and it's always uplifting to have direct discourse with developers, something that I think a lot of people here take for granted. It's really something else. To hear that you'd LIKE to skip through the updates as soon as possible, as opposed to just churning out the same mistakes on the same timeline, is something I've not heard here before.

[Pudge]

Originally Posted by kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I spent an hour trying to recreate the erudin shuttle bug on my test server about 30 minutes after the post first went up. The shuttle worked consistently. I tried a blind fix in this patch for what I thought might have been causing the problem. It apparently didn't work. Unless the bug gets fixed, there's no point in me addressing it. The reality is still that you'll have to petition or swim out to the boat yourself in order to get to Qeynos.

i think it's just that ppl would lik eto hear that you are at least looking into it.. that you confirmed it doesn't work and are tryin gto fix it. they posted forever on the issue, and the only GM word they got was "the boat works, don't know wtf you're talking about" from uthgaard.

i quick post to acknowledge the bug is prob all they wanted. same with other bugs. another example, the fungi tunic drop rate was ninja-patched.. not a word from devs in the thread either. just to say a couple words will make the playerbase feel like they're being heard and not ignored by their GMs

[Orzenn]

Originally Posted by kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there were a switch to flip, it would have been done Oct. 2009. You're severely underestimating the time it takes (mostly in research) a handful of people to reverse engineer all of these formulas.



I spent an hour trying to recreate the erudin shuttle bug on my test server about 30 minutes after the post first went up. The shuttle worked consistently. I tried a blind fix in this patch for what I thought might have been causing the problem. It apparently didn't work. Unless the bug gets fixed, there's no point in me addressing it. The reality is still that you'll have to petition or swim out to the boat yourself in order to get to Qeynos.

Thank you very much, Kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do understand your plight; once wrote a database application that the client wanted all the old records to import into -- the old database was entirely proprietary. It took 8 months to write the application; 7 of those months were used to decipher the old format, lol.

My app was small, a couple thousand lines (perhaps less), so believe me when I say I understand (how many lines are you guys dealing with? A few hundred thousand? A million? More?)

I only posted as much as a did in the original threads concerning this issue because I got the impression that our description of the problem was misunderstood.

I already love you guys for bringing back the world that got me into MMOs and you will always have my respect.

Again, thanks for letting us know that you are trying on this. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't understand is, why not just patch in everything that happened up till Velious, right away? We KNOW what the patch history is, we know what they wanted to do with Classic. Just put it all in at once!! (except nerfed items ofc, leave them in with the proper timeline.) And all will be gumdrops and roses.

The ups & downs are part of the classic ride. Why would you want Velious-era rogue damage formulas to apply when the level cap is 50? That just doesn't make sense, nor does it respect the mission of recreating vanilla-through-Velious Everquest.

Without changes the server will quickly stangnate, and the only set of changes that can be agreed upon as objective changes are the ones that were made by Verant/Sony. When we start accepting deviations from that in the name of "improving" things, it can become impossible to separate what's actually a change for the better and what's just appeasement for the loudest whiners.

[baalzy]

Thank you Kanras. Despite the negativity in my comment I feel that you're doing a great job towards achieving the servers goal. I also appreciate how open you are about the changes, you reasons behind them, and what you expect the changes to do.

That last part helps the most, you clarifying what you expect the changes to do cause then it allows us to point out when it's behaving differently.

[Skope]

Maybe can haz bonus exp weekend? :P It's pretty painful playing a mage at the moment.

[Troy]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe can haz bonus exp weekend? :P It's pretty painful playing a mage at the moment.

What it takes you 25 minutes per yellow instead of 15?

[Juugox2]

Originally Posted by Troy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What it takes you 25 minutes per yellow instead of 15?

lol seriously

[Rogean]

Also realize that we can only test so much.. most coding changes are tested by the coder implementing the change on local test servers with only himself to load up clients with, and theres simply so many possible ways mechanics can do things that were unintentional or unforeseeable when you factor in hundreds of players doing hundreds of things at once.

We don't have a test server, and even in the times we did, nobody tests on it.

[Amelinda]

PS! Kanras told me to tell you all if you are angry about his changes to please PM him hatemail. he doesn't feel hated enough [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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