When are they Implementing the Charm Nerf?

[Eleandra]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I last played TAKP, Enchanter pets were one of the most OP things on the server. I saw many trios with a max hasted fully decked out sebilite golem shredding camps in Seb.

I can say this was the case in ~2001, too (though I typically had a full group, not a trio).

[-Catherin-]

There is a reason why charm was nerfed in luclin. Or maybe it was PoP? for those who dont know, after the nerf, the moment you charmed an NPC it got weaker. when it broke it was back to full strength.

charming was becoming more stable to use as internet connections and computers got better. so around this time it started becoming apparent how OP it actually was. I still stand by primitive hardware and internet being the real issue in those days. If Tak does not have that nerf, its well within that timeline.

[Jimjam]

That does sound a lot more classic, but a little sad as the things people do woth charm here are truly impressive (and charm pets are a huge boost to any group!)

[Jimjam]

Part of the nerf is ensuring charm is cast at level +4, so it could end up being a good boost in some situations too...

[Tewaz]

So by charm nerf...it sounds more like charm boost?

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So by charm nerf...it sounds more like charm boost?

Depending on the level of the mob, it looks like it. For those of us who like pushing the limits of charm.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So by charm nerf...it sounds more like charm boost?

God I hope not.

The whole reason for the nerf wasn't to "nerf" anyone, it was to make things more classic. Making Enchanters even better at soloing is the exact opposite of making them like they were back in '99-'01.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God I hope not.

The whole reason for the nerf wasn't to "nerf" anyone, it was to make things more classic. Making Enchanters even better at soloing is the exact opposite of making them like they were back in '99-'01.

The fact that this has the potential to make chanters even more crazy will probably be a safe bet against this ever happening.

[long.liam]

I'm a little confused here. Why do people think this will be charm boost? I know someone posted an anecdote about their time on TAKP, but still no one has explained how the mechanics are going to change, so this will boost charm abilities. They're going to remove the 3rd check on enchanter charms. Having higher charisma helps to boost charm duration by giving enchanters that 3rd extra saving roll to prevent charm from breaking earlier. How exactly will removing that make charms last longer?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a little confused here. Why do people think this will be charm boost? I know someone posted an anecdote about their time on TAKP, but still no one has explained how the mechanics are going to change, so this will boost charm abilities. They're going to remove the 3rd check on enchanter charms. Having higher charisma helps to boost charm duration by giving enchanters that 3rd extra saving roll to prevent charm from breaking earlier. How exactly will removing that make charms last longer?

The same discovery that showed there shouldn’t be a charisma check on breaks also discovered that charm is cast at level +4. This is big as level comparison is the predominant check as to whether a spell is resisted or not.

I don’t recall whether the level mod is only on the cast check or also on the break checks. I’m sure the links in this thread go into better and more accurate details than I can. Deffo treat anything from me on this with a pinch of salt.