Velious on red 2.0

[Tune]

said no

velious too big

gear gap too big

make server smaller for smaller pop

wallmart gear can compete in pvp vs vp geared folks

makes it more fun

also velious makes the game way more time consuming

im pretty sure most of us don't want that

[Gustoo]

Tune thanks for weighing in.

how long does it take for gear gap to get too big? how does it actually happen? If there are so many velious +15 all stats + 100 mana / HP items why can't walmart guilds get it? Does it require too many people?

Never raided velious only fear kited cougars and mammoths as a trash can ranger in era.

[Imago]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tune thanks for weighing in.

how long does it take for gear gap to get too big? how does it actually happen? If there are so many velious +15 all stats + 100 mana / HP items why can't walmart guilds get it? Does it require too many people?

Never raided velious only fear kited cougars and mammoths as a trash can ranger in era.

Basically anyone that raids in Velious has insurmountably better resists and more HP than everyone else. Classic and Kunark raid gear was rather restrained in total stat expenditure per item, so a fully raid geared toon in Kunark, unbuffed, had only 20-30% more HP than a group geared toon. Lack of extraordinary stat distribution on items also meant starting race was a more meaningful decision.

Just look at some of the Apex or Empire Red Magelo pages. Velious characters had obnoxiously high stats, HP and resists. Impossible to compete with if you aren't clearing the same content, and that content was easily locked down so that "walmart guilds" never even got a crack at it.

The only thing in Kunark that gave anywhere near that kind of power in one item was an epic. And isn't that kind of fitting?

[TercerRigo]

Just wanted to say that I mainly lurk, because I'd rather play or code than argue, and Gustoo's posts are a large reason why I do so.

I believe in your dream of Red 2.0 Gustoo, and will wait patiently to share in it.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But at that time I didn't see or care about what was going on at level 60, and on rallos there was pretty much a small PK guild and three big anti PK raiding guilds so I don't think it was much of a problem.

Where the fuck did you guys play, like seriously? Did i play on Rallos in an alternate universe?

Thats the second person here claiming to have played on Rallos saying pvp was scarce. You could literally not level most of the times because youd get attacked by PKs and i liked it. I would smoke weed, sit down and expect this shit. Its why i played.

Like there was quite a bit of pk players, to the point where i didnt have to decide if i wanted to be anti or PK on the basis that "i like to pvp" so playing anti sorts of gimps my ability to pvp because i cant attack everyone. There was so many PK guilds that even if you played anti, there was loads of people to KOS because of their guild tags.

Artful death
Flowers of happiness
Black claws
inimical
malicious intent

Just off the top of my head, 20 years later. I made it only to 44 in 1.5 years before quitting because i just had fun smelling the pvp flowers on the way.

[Tune]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where the fuck did you guys play, like seriously? Did i play on Rallos in an alternate universe?

Artful death
Flowers of happiness
Black claws
inimical
malicious intent

don't remember those too well, and I don't think those were pk guilds. def not black claws i was in them for a bit and got yelled at / booted for attacking some on on my ranger (who remembered it 3 years later)

just goes to show how blue the server was

Originally Posted by Old_PVP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PVP happened at ALL levels... especially high end at 60. There were several long time grudges / guild wars happening all throughout RZ's history. There was basically one sect of top end guilds vs. another sect of top end guilds. Just off the top of my head it looked something like this:

Peace of Formosa, Hidden Power, Facultas Utrimque, The Peacebreakers, Force of Will

vs.

Ascending Dawn, Magus Imperialis Magicus, The Begotten, Wudan, Insanity's Edge, Ordo Malleus

Top end was very political and guilds would merge / change names but it was always KOS to the same people and the feuds lasted years.

Random PK guilds like Darkenbane, Lucid Vision, Flowers of Happiness, The Curse... etc. were no more than a nuisance to the raid guilds, and mainly affected mid to low level content.

But make no mistake... there were some vicious PVP battles at all levels, especially high end.

lucid vision didn't come till late... I think they were the curse spin off? I just don't remember seeing them much

FoH heh cmon they were like the pvp joke guild who killed lvl 9s

Darkenbane was legendary, but ended early

Guild wars popped off at times i guess i just don't remember them that much

server was political , hand holding, alliances, rotations. shit they didn't wake the sleeper till POP

[starkind]

the fun thing about velious geared ppl would be to log in like 12 friends and take them down

now thats kinda not allowed and lns... and those ppl who are velious geared just /plug or log in to raid only or log in their stable of alts to troll newbz

i agree vanilla needs more loot and more dungeons - not scaling to planar lvl th, more like in the 30's and slower exp

[Imago]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i agree vanilla needs more loot and more dungeons - not scaling to planar lvl th, more like in the 30's and slower exp

I disagree. You and everyone else knows where the loot is and how to get it. Are you willing to do what it takes to get it?

Think Crushbone. DRT and Dragoon Dirk are fantastic items. Are you willing to get a group to lock down the castle and 1) PvE the orcs as they respawn, and 2) PvP the nerds that also want those items? How do you make the most of your position?

That's some epic pre-20 gameplay waiting to happen.

[Gustoo]

That comment was specifically made about the velious raiding situation. I don't think velious had an impact because the vast majority of level 60 people with raid aspirations were anti PK's and sorted out their difficulties without pvp so they could all benefit. The PK's probably hated it but they were small pop at that level.

PVP was constant at all levels under 60 though. I leveled in the most backwoods nomansland places ever for the one character I leveled, and he only made it to level 46. I also just PVPed (but on other characters).

Thats why for me, velious was the best expansion ever because it added so many awesome droppable game changing items like the ones I mentioned.

Luclin ruined the game by making the trading area not also a PVP area, and added no similar items to enhance the PVP experience.

The anti pk/pk dynamic was real and awesome.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That comment was specifically made about the velious raiding situation. I don't remember anyone saying "man velious broke eq PVP!" on rallos zek, and I believe it was because the level 60 population was 95% in 3x quality raiding guilds and 5% PK guys trying to mess them up.

PVP threat was constant at all times for me also. I leveled in super obscure areas on the one character I actually leveled up and like you he only made it to level 46 he is probably sitting at the cougars in velious right now and his next step was mammoths in GD but they were pretty tough so I went back. I mostly did PVP at low levels, because it was what I enjoyed doing. Thats why I mentioned velious being the best times ever because the new strategies those hax items that had no level requirement opened up.

Ahh ok i see. I mean i questioned tune having played on Rallos at all when i saw him say pvp was not happening on Rallos. I remember our guild leader taking us to that goblin place near misty i think that got xp nerfed recently here because it was out of the way and could get some levels without getting attacked every 20 minutes.