What is each classes role / responsibilities in a raid?

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Furitor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure CoS FD glitch is based off CoS item itself (and the pre-nerf one stays in game). So this wasn't a mechanic change but an item change. New CoS after the nerf won't work.

like you said The Circlet of Shadow (insta-cast) is not nerfed, but replaced by the item drop Circlet of ShadowS (with a cast time. The Pre-nerf CoS no longer prevents you from re-agroing when you stand from FD

It may have been when all FD gets nerfed (no longer instantly clears agro) i dont recall exactly.

It was such that with the instant cast CoS, one could click it within a fraction of a second after standing from FD and remain without agro.

I recall being able to pull better than monks on my SK. Instant splits, no effort. So was it a mechanic change?

[azeth]

A raid is comprised of a couple phases where classes are utilized differently throughout.

Getting FTE - Here bards for their speed, rangers for their track, rogues for their sneak and monks for their FD are used.

Pulling the mob to camp - Bards again for their speed and their ability to AE aggro adds, monks of course

Establishing aggro - Warrior clearly, knights, rangers can do a few things to help here like usage of their weaponshield discipline to make a little speed bump til CH chain is rolling

Fighting the mob - Suddenly the usage of the bard, ranger, monk, and rogue are much different. Rogue primarily will focus on not dying and DPSing - however may perform mid-fight corpse runs with hide/sneak. Rangers again may serve as speed bumps.

Most classes serve niche rolls in niche instances. Its not an all-in-one play style.

[7thGate]

I'm not really sure warrior = only raid tank is that accurate anymore. After the clicky aggro nerfs, there's stuff where you really want the snap aggro more than you care about the durability because flipping the dragon into the mana sieving enchanters or DPS. I'm not really convinced you always want warriors over paladins, especially for Gore but also possibly not for VS or Trak.

Like, 25% misses from evasion is good against the 1500 damage lifetap bosses, but so is flat 18 seconds of immunity to lifetap + unbeatable snap aggro. I dunno, doesn't seem that clear cut to me. Guess we'll see what the meta looks like when it drops though.

[Furitor]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not really sure warrior = only raid tank is that accurate anymore. After the clicky aggro nerfs, there's stuff where you really want the snap aggro more than you care about the durability because flipping the dragon into the mana sieving enchanters or DPS. I'm not really convinced you always want warriors over paladins, especially for Gore but also possibly not for VS or Trak.

Like, 25% misses from evasion is good against the 1500 damage lifetap bosses, but so is flat 18 seconds of immunity to lifetap + unbeatable snap aggro. I dunno, doesn't seem that clear cut to me. Guess we'll see what the meta looks like when it drops though.

Yeah -- metas change all the time. I think people can be too stuck on the old ways. Not saying it's not efficient, but there are Knights tanking Sky bosses at level 50 on Green just fine right now with a proper CH rotation. Before Sky dropped everyone was saying "time for warriors to shine"... for no real reason even thought discs aren't even out... the snap aggro esp. with the DPS required to down bosses at lower levels really helps here. Better to put some of your warriors on DPS w/ their DPS weapon in some cases as their DPS is very underrated IMO.

A game I like to always refer back to is Super Smash Bros. Melee. The game has been out forever and the meta is still changing. New mechanics/meta characters are being found every few years. For a long time some of the characters thought to be garbage suddenly became meta (with ZERO patches).

Anyway a bit off topic but every class has a role through all the expansions for raiding. IMO just don't corner yourself in and have more than one raid character if you want to seriously raid.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Furitor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO just don't corner yourself in and have more than one raid character if you want to seriously raid.

Also, make sure you make your mains on different accounts, or else you're gonna be stuck playing your Cleric / Ench / Bard, or whatever the most needed class at the time is.

[Furitor]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, make sure you make your mains on different accounts, or else you're gonna be stuck playing your Cleric / Ench / Bard, or whatever the most needed class at the time is.

This. Times 100.

[Coridan]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, make sure you make your mains on different accounts, or else you're gonna be stuck playing your Cleric / Ench / Bard, or whatever the most needed class at the time is.

This sounds like a major pain in the ass if you have an IP exemption for playing with your partner. Aren't IP exemptions login account specific not full account specific?

[peterpal]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, make sure you make your mains on different accounts, or else you're gonna be stuck playing your Cleric / Ench / Bard, or whatever the most needed class at the time is.

I've heard this a few times but I don't understand the point yet. What's the point of multiple accounts if multiboxing is not allowed?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by peterpal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've heard this a few times but I don't understand the point yet. What's the point of multiple accounts if multiboxing is not allowed?

You play the character you want to on one of your accounts and a guildy logs into your other one to play the other character during the raid

[peterpal]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You play the character you want to on one of your accounts and a guildy logs into your other one to play the other character during the raid

Oh account sharing is allowed?