Seriously fucking traks teeth jesus christ.

[Videri]

If what you say is true, you or someone should post in-era evidence and get it changed.

For the time being, I sincerely hope this aids you in your quest:
• Doing the forager/hunter cycle on my bard on Red99 was truly hellish before maybe 55. Fewer mobs aggro the higher you get. 45 is definitely too low. You’ll get half a dozen frogs on you before you find the PH. Plus, the Forager and Hunter are 45, and some of the named are even higher. They’ll wreck you, no doubt about it. And warriors are useless without a powerful healer.
• Have levitate on all the time (you need a pegasus cloak, basically) and run up hills often (carefully) so you can use Z-axis distance to help stay out of aggro range
• IVU is better than invis in TT since half the living mobs see invis anyway (you can rev up Selo’s and receive IVU from any of 5 classes)
• Add a cleric and you get the healing and IVU necessary for this operation.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If what you say is true, you or someone should post in-era evidence and get it changed.

What in era evidence? How do you prove a negative? Do you really believe that NOBODY would have mentioned the frogs wiping out every animal spawn in the zone? Depending your path, the trakasaurs were far more of a menace than the frogs. Here there are only frogs. Casters are broken (they were often rough on live, but not in the same every f--king time they agro way they are here), there're no animals for druids to charm to fight back with. TT is an anti-classic joke.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What in era evidence? How do you prove a negative? Do you really believe that NOBODY would have mentioned the frogs wiping out every animal spawn in the zone? Depending your path, the trakasaurs were far more of a menace than the frogs. Here there are only frogs. Casters are broken (they were often rough on live, but not in the same every f--king time they agro way they are here), there're no animals for druids to charm to fight back with. TT is an anti-classic joke.

Even an anecdotal description written during that era would probably be enough to convince devs here to make an adjustment. I never even saw that zone on Live on my level 23 beastlord, but perhaps there's a Wayback Machine page or someone's homemade EQ fan site or something where they describe charming one of the numerous animals in TT and soloing the hunter/forager cycle np. Lots of old write-ups are out there. Maybe we'll get lucky.

My main point is, the hunter/forager cycle is doable if he gets more levels and a friend with IVU. Let's keep it fun, folks.

[Tobius]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even an anecdotal description written during that era would probably be enough to convince devs here to make an adjustment. I never even saw that zone on Live on my level 23 beastlord, but perhaps there's a Wayback Machine page or someone's homemade EQ fan site or something where they describe charming one of the numerous animals in TT and soloing the hunter/forager cycle np. Lots of old write-ups are out there. Maybe we'll get lucky.

My main point is, the hunter/forager cycle is doable if he gets more levels and a friend with IVU. Let's keep it fun, folks.

Not it wouldn't there have been several threads on this subject offering their anecdotes GM's haven't done anything so far.

There are a million animals on the spawn table and they are never up. I used to see tonnes of chickens and raptors, occasional tiger.

The frogs aren't meant to attack and shouldn't be winning as easily.

People are right, the warrior is useless even if he gets to 60, 52 bard won't lose the aggro till 55 apparently but I don't want him above 52.

I don't have a cleric friend on speed dial and tbh it'd mean 33% of not getting the already rare loot each time.

It sounds like it's just not a go-er probably only because of the zones horiffically broken state. Shame a couple of BP's is almost do-able. Oh well.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If what you say is true, you or someone should post in-era evidence and get it changed.

For the bit about unclassic spells specifically ... there are some things here that just can't be fixed, or that Nilbog just doesn't want to fix (from our perspective as players the two might as well be the same).

NPCs using unclassic spells has been wrong since I started playing here over half a decade ago. I think I naively even filed a bug on it once, many years ago ... and nothing has happened since. I highly doubt any amount of evidence will fix it, because I don't think the core problem is lack of evidence: it's either an inability or unwillingness (again, hard to know which) on the devs' part.

[Snaggles]

I’d personally skip it for a bit. I tried to do this way back when my ranger was 45 and my brother had a 51 necro. Killing the forager was easy if we could get it back to camp but everything and it’s uncle would aggro on the ranger due to the level gap. Plus shamans casting and running sow speed, etc.

With a Druid or ranger if you get adds and survive you can just snare, zone, and kill the one npc that didn’t path back. The bard has to keep all the adds mezzed while the warrior basically solos. Easier said than done.

If you wanted a seb key and that’s it the struggle would be worth it. Even looking for a third to help. Farming the cycle is going to likely take many hours of PH’s to get the loot you want. A slog for an epic druid on a slow weekend but with that combo likely many deaths if it’s doable.

Sorry to be a bummer. You are better off having him get some levels and just duoing plat mobs to buy one.

[elwing]

Avoid sebilis until you need trak to be honest, go level in the hole...

[kaev]

Originally Posted by elwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't crowd my plat farming, go somewhere else...

ftfy

[Tobius]

Originally Posted by elwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Avoid sebilis until you need trak to be honest, go level in the hole...

Don't wanna lose my non KOS to elementals racial innate status.
Even though it's useless. I guess I'm like 1% a roleplayer.

[Snaggles]

By the time the bard reaches a decent level you can grind a necro to 51. That will be many times better than the warrior anyways. In fact, I’m not sure of a worse class combo for this unless you have a fungi and some crazy weapons. Even then a pally/sk with the same gear would be much better.

Yea traks teeth is prob not perfectly classic. It was never “easy”. The forager is lvl 45 and the lower level shams tossing blind and roots are terrible. Nice you have a cleric on call but you will never kill enough PH’s for this farm to make sense (at current) unless you get extremely lucky.

The bard also should invest in sow pots. That would leave ease of snare/mez/fear and being able to invis on the pull to hopefully reduce adds.