Fake EC tunnel prices

[Evets]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

[Kron]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

Quick sellers is what makes the EC Tunnels work but that's not the issue. The issue is people spam say an executioner's axe for 50p over an over but don't actually intend to sell it just causing static with fake prices.

You see it in other direction as well where you might see someone post say a Rubi BP for 30K+ over an over and it becomes the new norm. Seen even manastones at 100k to try an establish a price when there is few other sellers to base it off.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

I didn't say I judged them for it. But that doesn't mean they aren't still greedy

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Kron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quick sellers is what makes the EC Tunnels work but that's not the issue. The issue is people spam say an executioner's axe for 50p over an over but don't actually intend to sell it just causing static with fake prices.

You see it in other direction as well where you might see someone post say a Rubi BP for 30K+ over an over and it becomes the new norm. Seen even manastones at 100k to try an establish a price when there is few other sellers to base it off.

True. Although in the latter case I'd say a lot of those people are less trying to manipulate auction logs and more just think they can find a whale to pay a huge price for legacy pixels (because they will find one eventually)

[Kron]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's worth noting that wiki god Ravhin recently added a way to correct auction logs in the wiki. If you see an item that has clearly false entries in the wiki, PM me and I'll try to fix them.

I've already fixed the Polished Steel Dirk, but the changes aren't showing up in the wiki. I'm guessing Ravhin caches them every night, so check back tomorrow and I'm guessing it will be fixed then.

Hopefully once people learn about this, and that such fake entries don't work, they'll stop wasting everyone's time and give the practice up (I have better things to do in life than clean up some asshole's fake auctions).

Looks like some of the lvl 49 words are also been targeted for spaming.

Words of Grappling is getting spam for 49p over an over.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah at the end of the day all this technically does is help the greedy tunnel questers control the market

I really think you're misunderstanding the system. The wiki provides common knowledge to everyone. "Tunnel fat cats" do not benefit from that ... unless they can somehow manipulate those prices. Otherwise, public knowledge = bad for "fat cats".

Remember, these people know items and prices better than anyone else, because they see them sold every day. They don't need the wiki to tell them what a good price is: they already know how much they can get. The entire way they make their money is by exploiting the difference in pricing knowledge between them and the public.

It's everyone else who benefits from public pricing knowledge. A "fat cat" might know that they can get 2k for some item, and they will do so ... right up until it becomes public knowledge that most people sell that item for 1.5k, at which point they have to match. It's the non-tunnel person who benefits in that case, not the "fat cat".

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you prove what a fake entry is? Sure if someone is saying WTS at 10pp for an item that's worth several hundred, that's obvious.

But I've seen people legitimately sell items for 40 - 60% of their listed wiki value. Are significant decreases like that just going to get deleted from the log because you think they're fake? If so, that defeats the point of the log.

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The line between fake and a good deal is a blurry one, that's for true

This is an excellent point, and I will definitely tread carefully. My plan is to only remove obvious/extreme cases. Does this mean that price manipulators will be able to post "WTS thing that should cost 100p for 90p"? Of course: it's impossible to make the system immune to all manipulation.

But at least I can stop people from trying to sell that 100p item for 2p, because they're trying to abuse the wiki system to misinform others. It isn't perfect, but less manipulation > more manipulation right?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looks like some of the lvl 49 words are also been targeted for spaming.

Words of Grappling is getting spam for 49p over an over.

I see what you're talking about, but as others have mentioned, it can be difficult to distinguish a "legitimate, but low/high" price, and a "I'm deliberately trying to raise/lower the wiki average" price.

To be safe, I won't remove entries unless they're clearly anomalous, and there just isn't enough pricing data on either server for me to determine that for Words of Grappling.

But thanks for mentioning it, and hopefully in the future as we get more data I'll be able to help with items like those also.

[Reecon]

pretty easy to see which ones are fake on the wiki but there is definitely a fine line, for example the OP mentioned the dirk going for 800-1000 yet i just bought mind for 500pp just yesterday, buyers decide the market in the end, an item will only sell for what ppl are willing to pay for it so in the end the seller might be greedy but it is the buyer that is inflating the values of items by paying the stupidly high prices.

[Siege]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq (((merchant))) role who are we to call them greedy ect?.

FTFY

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

Amen.