Fake EC tunnel prices

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "tunnel cats" are all well aware of these practices, and set their prices according to what makes them plat, not what's in the wiki. It's naive non-tunnel people who don't know better, and get suckered into selling things below cost or buying them above.

But again ... there's a new sheriff in town:

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Going forward the wiki is not going to be a place where people can upload fake entries (or rather they can, but when someone notices they'll get deleted). And if they keep doing it anyway and wasting my time, I will start naming and shaming, and maybe even talk to Ravhin about adding a way to block the troublemakers from the system entirely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "naive non-tunnel people" aren't obsessed over a fake currency in a fake video game, though. So who's really winning here? The greedy people obsessing over money in an emulator of a 21-year-old video game or the reasonable people who have more important things to care about?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "naive non-tunnel people" aren't obsessed over a fake currency in a fake video game, though. So who's really winning here? The greedy people obsessing over money in an emulator of a 21-year-old video game or the reasonable people who have more important things to care about?

Yeah at the end of the day all this technically does is help the greedy tunnel questers control the market

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah at the end of the day all this technically does is help the greedy tunnel questers control the market

I really think you're misunderstanding the system. The wiki provides common knowledge to everyone. "Tunnel fat cats" do not benefit from that ... unless they can somehow manipulate those prices. Otherwise, public knowledge = bad for "fat cats".

Remember, these people know items and prices better than anyone else, because they see them sold every day. They don't need the wiki to tell them what a good price is: they already know how much they can get. The entire way they make their money is by exploiting the difference in pricing knowledge between them and the public.

It's everyone else who benefits from public pricing knowledge. A "fat cat" might know that they can get 2k for some item, and they will do so ... right up until it becomes public knowledge that most people sell that item for 1.5k, at which point they have to match. It's the non-tunnel person who benefits in that case, not the "fat cat".

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you prove what a fake entry is? Sure if someone is saying WTS at 10pp for an item that's worth several hundred, that's obvious.

But I've seen people legitimately sell items for 40 - 60% of their listed wiki value. Are significant decreases like that just going to get deleted from the log because you think they're fake? If so, that defeats the point of the log.

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The line between fake and a good deal is a blurry one, that's for true

This is an excellent point, and I will definitely tread carefully. My plan is to only remove obvious/extreme cases. Does this mean that price manipulators will be able to post "WTS thing that should cost 100p for 90p"? Of course: it's impossible to make the system immune to all manipulation.

But at least I can stop people from trying to sell that 100p item for 2p, because they're trying to abuse the wiki system to misinform others. It isn't perfect, but less manipulation > more manipulation right?

[Cen]

The line between fake and a good deal is a blurry one, that's for true. Anyway, someone please trade me a ghoulbane for my 150pp+Langseax of the wolves and 2x langsesx combo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] on teal

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[Evets]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

[Kron]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

Quick sellers is what makes the EC Tunnels work but that's not the issue. The issue is people spam say an executioner's axe for 50p over an over but don't actually intend to sell it just causing static with fake prices.

You see it in other direction as well where you might see someone post say a Rubi BP for 30K+ over an over and it becomes the new norm. Seen even manastones at 100k to try an establish a price when there is few other sellers to base it off.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Kron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quick sellers is what makes the EC Tunnels work but that's not the issue. The issue is people spam say an executioner's axe for 50p over an over but don't actually intend to sell it just causing static with fake prices.

You see it in other direction as well where you might see someone post say a Rubi BP for 30K+ over an over and it becomes the new norm. Seen even manastones at 100k to try an establish a price when there is few other sellers to base it off.

True. Although in the latter case I'd say a lot of those people are less trying to manipulate auction logs and more just think they can find a whale to pay a huge price for legacy pixels (because they will find one eventually)

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

I didn't say I judged them for it. But that doesn't mean they aren't still greedy

[Siege]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq (((merchant))) role who are we to call them greedy ect?.

FTFY

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Evets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey if they want to play the eq merchant role who are we to call them greedy ect?

I for one get an item dungeon crawling and head to EC and try to sell the spoils as fast as possible to get to the next adventure.. if a tunnel rat wants to buy an item for 500 plat less than its worth and re sell it for a profit I'll take them up on that just to get out of there asap. My time is worth more than wasting another hour to try to get the full price...

Amen.