New Bard w/ some questions

[Videri]

I remembered another valuable post for OP and readers to consider.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=327383

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remembered another valuable post for OP and readers to consider.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=327383

Yes, and if you do take the time to read that to find out that 200 cha is 500% less likely to get a crit lull veruses 95 charisma and still don't think you should max charisma you should just quit EQ.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, and if you do take the time to read that to find out that 200 cha is 500% less likely to get a crit lull veruses 95 charisma and still don't think you should max charisma you should just quit EQ.

Take it easy and remember we’re all trying to advise new players here, not “win” an internet argument. And I do understand the value of charisma; I just don’t prioritize it over other stats.

It’s true that 200 versus 95 charisma makes you 1/5 as likely to get a crit resist. Just remember that if lull is not resisted, there is no chance at all of a crit resist. Level is the determining factor in whether lull is resisted and the charisma check comes afterward. If you don’t lull yellow mobs, you’ll do fine.

Secondly, that’s a difference of 105 charisma. That’s a lot different from 25 cha points, 2 opallines, a 9-cha medallion, and a few other charisma items. 105 cha means we’re building the whole bard for charisma. I personally wouldn’t do this. Perhaps other bards would.

Third, lulling is only one of the things we spend time doing. If we gear our bard for charisma, we’re not gearing for hp, resists, and ac. I believe we make use of hp more frequently. Plus, once we hit 60, we’ll rarely do any lulling at all. Then one might wish one had put 25 points in stamina.

That’s why, even though I understand the value or charisma, I do not place it above the value of stamina or even strength. I have shared some posts and stated my own views; I think OP can judge for himself.

[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by chey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey all, I'm new-ish to the game and Green server and enjoying my time here after finally settling on a class. The utility, supportive toolset, and active playstyle of a bard really appeals to me; the only problem is, it seems like an easy class to play poorly. So I figured it's better to ask questions now, when I'm level 6, than not know something vital later.

#1: What stats should I prioritize when I can get gear? I've read that DEX affects procs and missing notes, and that CHA affects lulls/charms, which both seem pretty important. Anything else I should know?

#2: In a party, should I be meleeing, or using instruments? I've read some conflicting opinions over this, with some people deriding 'lazy bards' who only use instruments, and others saying that the boost from the instrument is a better help than a bard's wimpy melee DPS.

#3: What's a good duo partner for a Bard?

#1 MR/AC/HP/stamina
#2 after lvl 8 instruments until you get epic or very specific situations
#3 you can duo extremely well with any class, but as such a strong solo class you’ll do faster solo in most cases

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Take it easy and remember we’re all trying to advise new players here, not “win” an internet argument. And I do understand the value of charisma; I just don’t prioritize it over other stats.

It’s true that 200 versus 95 charisma makes you 1/5 as likely to get a crit resist. Just remember that if lull is not resisted, there is no chance at all of a crit resist. Level is the determining factor in whether lull is resisted and the charisma check comes afterward. If you don’t lull yellow mobs, you’ll do fine.

Secondly, that’s a difference of 105 charisma. That’s a lot different from 25 cha points, 2 opallines, a 9-cha medallion, and a few other charisma items. 105 cha means we’re building the whole bard for charisma. I personally wouldn’t do this. Perhaps other bards would.

Third, lulling is only one of the things we spend time doing. If we gear our bard for charisma, we’re not gearing for hp, resists, and ac. I believe we make use of hp more frequently. Plus, once we hit 60, we’ll rarely do any lulling at all. Then one might wish one had put 25 points in stamina.

That’s why, even though I understand the value or charisma, I do not place it above the value of stamina or even strength. I have shared some posts and stated my own views; I think OP can judge for himself.

We can reasonably extrapolate that 25 cha to being about 125% less likely to gt a crit lull resist. That sounds pretty damn good to me.

And why aren't you lulling, charming or mezing at 60? do tell?


You've get your priorities twisted, like i said its much harder to get quality cha gear that has hp/ac/resists than it does to simply get gear with hp/ac/resists.

[Tiax]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never understood this logic, and i've hear it related to pals, clerics, and bards now?

What good charisma boosting gear exists that also has good ac/hp? You'd like to have both at the same time for the charm breaks/crit lull fails.

Well if you have the CHA gear on, then no crit resists, so you don't need the HP gear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And off the top of my head, you have gypsy amulet, guise and crude stein that will boost your CHA for 35ish that have no good HP equivalents for a newbie bard with no cash.

[Wallicker]

Having a cha set to split a camp wouldn’t be crazy, then just swap to your normal tanky set once it’s broken. personally as a bard that solos all the time, I never swap for cha gear and have no issues whatsoever and would much rather have the extra resists and Ac and hp.

Putting your 25 starting stats into anything but stamina is just plain dumb though.

Charms stick for full duration like 99% of the time regardless as long as it lands, mezzes aren’t affected by charisma at all.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having a cha set to split a camp wouldn’t be crazy, then just swap to your normal tanky set once it’s broken. personally as a bard that solos all the time, I never swap for cha gear and have no issues whatsoever and would much rather have the extra resists and Ac and hp.

Putting your 25 starting stats into anything but stamina is just plain dumb though.

Charms stick for full duration like 99% of the time regardless as long as it lands, mezzes aren’t affected by charisma at all.

Ya that 70-80 hit points s really going to save your life. And I like how you say "as long as it lands". That's the biggest charisma impact is whether a charm/mez lands in the first place. That extra cha will come i cluth for doing CR, too.


Sure are Some terrible bards on p99.

[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya that 70-80 hit points s really going to save your life. And I like how you say "as long as it lands". That's the biggest charisma impact is whther a charm/mez lands in the first place.


Some terrible ass bards on p99.

Do you know how valuable an extra 80hp is lol? Do you realize in full velious BiS you won’t hit 255 sta without it? You are obviously misinformed - dumping starting stats in cha is plain dumb, it’s so easy to max cha if that’s what you want to do with gear not the case with stamina. Also end game a lot of great bard pieces have cha on them already. Finally you calling me a terrible ass bard is laughable friend.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know how valuable an extra 80hp is lol? Do you realize in full velious BiS you won’t hit 255 sta without it? You are obviously misinformed - dumping starting stats in cha is plain dumb, it’s so easy to max cha if that’s what you want to do with gear not the case with stamina. Also end game a lot of great bard pieces have cha on them already. Finally you calling me a terrible ass bard is laughable friend.

Who gives a shit about 255 sta? It's not easy to max charisma and be trying to max ac/hp/resists too. Don't care about your opinion of yourself as a bard, you certainly have a very low IQ.