Mage pets

[Erati]

Originally Posted by senseiRuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So fire at 44, and earth at 49?

Yea

[turbosilk]

OOT pets were there from the start

[azeth]

Rogues in classic are the epitome of the tortoise v. hare story. They are just sustained, uninterrupted DPS compared to the enchanter's risky DPS & mana sponge qualities.

Enc is clearly the hare, and unlike the fable will likely win the race. But there's value in a sustained, non-mana using, no risk DPS that rogue offers in classic.

[tommydgun]

Lol what are people smoking thinking these casters are outdpsing rogues? My rogue at 31 backstabs for a high of 180 which is 0 mana and reused every what 10s? Quad attacks for high hits of 35. When I have haste especially how do you figure a caster is outdpsing me?

[RipVanFish]

Originally Posted by tommydgun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol what are people smoking thinking these casters are outdpsing rogues? My rogue at 31 backstabs for a high of 180 which is 0 mana and reused every what 10s? Quad attacks for high hits of 35. When I have haste especially how do you figure a caster is outdpsing me?

As a mage, between my pet, my damage shield kept on the tank and dropping nukes, I feel like I usually outpace rogue dps. Just my 2C.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by tommydgun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol what are people smoking thinking these casters are outdpsing rogues? My rogue at 31 backstabs for a high of 180 which is 0 mana and reused every what 10s? Quad attacks for high hits of 35. When I have haste especially how do you figure a caster is outdpsing me?

I'm going to call BS on this. My guild has 6 rogues in the 30s right now. I have grouped with all. None are BSing regularly for over 100 with SBDs and Poons. None have hit 180s. Quad attacks for high hits of 35.. sure but at 170 str most of your hits are low 20s.

Wife charms gypsy rogue in MM.. backstabs for 201.. quads for 70's (mostly hits 50s). rune sword procs 40.. But let just say Mage at 31... sure you can outdmg their pet. But even if mage nukes 1 per mob you just lost that dps race. Why? Because in a full group a single lvl 30-35 mob with a group of low 30s gonna kill the mob before rogue gets a 2nd backstab.. let alone 3.

I'd say you definitely can outdmg a cleric or druid. Wizard is iffy but probably not. I'm talking about mobs not raid bosses here.

[tommydgun]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to call BS on this. My guild has 6 rogues in the 30s right now. I have grouped with all. None are BSing regularly for over 100 with SBDs and Poons. None have hit 180s. Quad attacks for high hits of 35.. sure but at 170 str most of your hits are low 20s.

Wife charms gypsy rogue in MM.. backstabs for 201.. quads for 70's (mostly hits 50s). rune sword procs 40.. But let just say Mage at 31... sure you can outdmg their pet. But even if mage nukes 1 per mob you just lost that dps race. Why? Because in a full group a single lvl 30-35 mob with a group of low 30s gonna kill the mob before rogue gets a 2nd backstab.. let alone 3.

I'd say you definitely can outdmg a cleric or druid. Wizard is iffy but probably not. I'm talking about mobs not raid bosses here.

ill give you a chanter with a rogue pet is the most damage, but im sorry your guild rogues dont backstab hard... SBD isnt the best backstab weapon in the game, i personally use a gloomwater harpoon and have 220 str buffed

[bum3]

Originally Posted by tommydgun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ill give you a chanter with a rogue pet is the most damage, but im sorry your guild rogues dont backstab hard... SBD isnt the best backstab weapon in the game, i personally use a gloomwater harpoon and have 220 str buffed

I appreciate you admitting a caster is out dpsing you.

[tommydgun]

Originally Posted by French Wizard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wizards get conflag at 44 thats 600 dmg and with full mana they can cast it like 12 times

your damage is crap

Nice argument. Unfortunately you are comparing a 44 spell to a response about a 31 rogues dps. Look at a level appropriate spell. Also you cant nuke 12x in a row without drawing aggro but I can dps the whole time.

Try again. I know math is hard.

[tommydgun]

Originally Posted by French Wizard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mobs dont summon you just root them, your damage is garbo because rogues miss 50% of the backstabs and of the ones they land 50% are not good dmg

miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss

sorry you are fat and bad

God you are a fucking idiot, but I'll bite. First thanks for the laugh, I'm extremely fit. Second, let's explain expected value of damage to you since you failed high school math. Let's assume you never get resisted. You nuke for 600 damage every 7.5 seconds if you include your global cooldown and cast time. That means you nuke for 1200 every 15 seconds. With haste I'm attacking every 2.2 seconds for a high value of 40+ damage and backstabbing every 6s for a high value at max level of 300 or so damage. Let's say I miss half the time. This works my expected value of a regular attack to 20 damage let's say and 150 on a backstab. In the time it takes you to cast and recover from 2 spells I've gotten off 7 rounds of attacks. If we assume only 3 attacks and no quads every round I'm doing 60 damage a round on autos and 150 on backstabs. This is 420 damage in auto attacks and 300 in backstabs conservatively. So sure that's 720 and I just said you do 1200 but you can nuke 12x before oom. That is 2 minutes of nuking. Then you have to med 100% which let's give you the benefit and say that takes you 2 minutes only to med 100%. That means your 1200 damage interval is really half up-time which means your average 2 rounds of attacks is 600. Btw 600 is less than 720. Get fucked you moron.