List System Proposed Changes

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because of the reason why they created the system in the first place, a scheduled mass join could be formed for a guild to have their own list, or DKP, or whatever system they want, to trump the odds by massing 30 people on the list in a single moment, cranking up the drop to them at the scheduled time to some upper 90s percentile. You can nearly gaurentee stealing a list item with ease at any time you choose and its even worse because you don't need to join a group at all to do so.

Your idea works perfectly if you make it randomly drop to, at most, the size of a typical group. Anything more, and its way, way easy to rig it.

You don;t understand. The stone is still going to drop a set (abysmal) rate no matter how many people log on. By your logic the manastone camp should have 60 guildies all on it right now.

[Dreenk317]

Limiting afk checks to the top 3 defeats almost the entire purpose of the afk check.... which is to make sure you arent afk camping one of the most coveted and sought after items in the game..... if they wanted people afk for half the camp and to only be present for the "end part", they would not of made these rules. Because, and I know this might be a surprise, but I'm sure they thought about this for more than five minutes and explored some alternate options, and settled on this.

Also, a big no to the whole getting on the list and then being able to leave the zone..... just, no....

I'm sorry, but if you want the super rare and awesome pixels, you have to put in your time, period.

[this user was banned]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Limiting afk checks to the top 3 defeats almost the entire purpose of the afk check.... which is to make sure you arent afk camping one of the most coveted and sought after items in the game..... if they wanted people afk for half the camp and to only be present for the "end part", they would not of made these rules. Because, and I know this might be a surprise, but I'm sure they thought about this for more than five minutes and explored some alternate options, and settled on this.

Also, a big no to the whole getting on the list and then being able to leave the zone..... just, no....

I'm sorry, but if you want the super rare and awesome pixels, you have to put in your time, period.

People already do waitlist for camps and you are allowed to leave until it's your turn. This is no different except the order is actually enforced.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don;t understand. The stone is still going to drop a set (abysmal) rate no matter how many people log on. By your logic the manastone camp should have 60 guildies all on it right now.

There’s a slight difference in bringing 60 guildies to camp manastone on a list that moves in linear order and bringing 60 guildies to make sure the odds are in your favor when a manastone drops if everyone in the list could potentially win it.

Personally, I think after X minutes of spawning, the mob should auto-aggro the #1 person every server tick regardless if FD, invis, or hidden. If you doubt your ability to solo the mob, come back when you're level 50.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don;t understand. The stone is still going to drop a set (abysmal) rate no matter how many people log on. By your logic the manastone camp should have 60 guildies all on it right now.

And this isnt how it works. He was explaining that if the drop was awarded at random to anyone on the list. A guild could weight it in there favor by increasing their numbers in the random pool. Thereby making it not so random. At the current state, ONLY the person in the number 1 spot can loot, in fact, I'm pretty sure they have to, and if they dont the item rots, as in, they can not have a ffriend or alt loot the item. If a guild wants to get there members on the list, that's fine, if those members decide that the manastone or rubi BP is then a dkp item amongst the guild, that's there choice. But it would be very hard for them to actually monopolize the spawn with the current list system as all members would have to pass afk checks or get dropped from the list. If it was random reward to anyone on the list, a guild could easily, easily bring 30 people to the camp for 3-4 hours and have a very high chance of getting all manastones that drop in that 3-4 hour period simply be having a lot of people sitting there doing nothing. No thanks....

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by this user was banned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People already do waitlist for camps and you are allowed to leave until it's your turn. This is no different except the order is actually enforced.

The whole "people already do their own waitlists" thing is the ENTIRE reason this list system is here. Those waitlists didnt work, were not enforceable, and subject to change by whoever held the list. Way to often someone would show up at a camp, and never get it because the current holder just rotated their friends through. Claiming they were on the "list"

[this user was banned]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole "people already do their own waitlists" thing is the ENTIRE reason this list system is here. Those waitlists didnt work, were not enforceable, and subject to change by whoever held the list. Way to often someone would show up at a camp, and never get it because the current holder just rotated their friends through. Claiming they were on the "list"

You still haven't given a valid reason why letting people on list leave zone should not be allowed. Top people on list are subject to afk checks and will get booted if item drops or a failed afk check. Guilds flooding the list will need to maintain top 3 afk check and deal with people killing mobs for the drops to advance the list to non guilds.

This is a waitlist that IS enforceable through /list.

[Phaezed-Reality]

I think its hilarious, in the morning i have my routine, i have to wait for an afk check, go brush my teeth, wait for an afk check do a few reps, rinse repeat, then shower (i can do it in 6 minutes now, cant afford to dry off have to get right into my robe, and sit back down. for the check.

[Fammaden]

Hilarious is one word to describe it.....

[Phaezed-Reality]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hilarious is one word to describe it.....

classic?