Analyzing bash via logs

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah it uses some other bash formula the staff came up with and I agree there.

Where do people find classic-era logs so I can look for people getting bashed on live to see what the log printed like back then?

[Kinaki]

So you're leveling a Troll and making conclusions on Ogre FSI from it. Right.

You do realize that if what you were saying has any marginal truth to it that Ogre shamans on the server would be in an uproar. Myself, as I have posted previously to your faulty conclusions/posts, have noticed no easily discernible differences between pre and and post patch FSI.

I have yet to see any outright interruptions from Bash on a 60 Ogre Shaman (and I have not seen any evidence in logs to support it). Could it be a case of messy coding and a ~2% bash/interrupt rate on high level mobs now creeping into PCs? Sure. But I certainly don't notice it even if that is the case. And, judging by the relative silence of other long-time Shaman ogres, I am not alone.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Kinaki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're leveling a Troll and making conclusions on Ogre FSI from it. Right.

You do realize that if what you were saying has any marginal truth to it that Ogre shamans on the server would be in an uproar. Myself, as I have posted previously to your faulty conclusions/posts, have noticed no easily discernible differences between pre and and post patch FSI.

I have yet to see any outright interruptions from Bash on a 60 Ogre Shaman (and I have not seen any evidence in logs to support it). Could it be a case of messy coding and a ~2% bash/interrupt rate on high level mobs now creeping into PCs? Sure. But I certainly don't notice it even if that is the case. And, judging by the relative silence of other long-time Shaman ogres, I am not alone.

It's not always wrong to draw conclusions without perfect test conditions. I wouldn't be far off to assume a low blue at 30 will resist similarly to a low blue at 50. It didn't seem absurd to think bash functioned similarly from blue cons at 60 as at 24, nor to assume a recent patch note actually made a noticable change.

I didn't see your replies in the other thread before I made the one. Lots of folks like to talk about fsi, but not many have anything to back up their claims. When I looked and didn't find info that satisfied me, I tried to investigate bash on my own with the tools I had available.

[A1551]

Thanks tecmos. Ive read approximately 90000000 threads on this over the years, and this is the most evidence anyone has ever submitted by a large margin on any of them!

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Validity requires a pre-patch level 60 v post-patch level 60 comparison of extensive length.

But please feel free to argue about ogres for the 9000th time on the forums.

Not trying to troll here at all I promise. I just seems sort of funny that Tecmos can do a real time test and post very interesting data and that's not valid evidence of something.

But when it comes to deciding whether a mechanic is accurate for the classic era or not, others will consider some random dude's forum post from 1999 discussing a test they conducted in game without any witnesses as valid evidence supporting an argument. Such as the test some guy in 1999 conducted on pet exp split being considered sufficient evidence that pets took EXP back then.

Different standards are applied when it suits people I suppose.

[cd288]

[Wed Nov 06 13:45:39 2019] You told Locomotive, 'on emulator you can cast, move around, go back to your cast spot and it goes off normal'
[Wed Nov 06 13:45:47 2019] You told Locomotive, 'on live you'd of failed the cast'

As an side, this may have eventually been patched, but initially on live you could do this move and then move back to the spot trick at times due to the network code and how information was exchanged with the server.

[Izmael]

As someone who never ever played a shaman, and going to roll one on green, and therefore going to thoroughly suck at it, I'd like to ask a simple question:

Is FSI still better than Troll regen, at 60 with Torpor?

[Baler]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tecmos can do a real time test and post very interesting data

Yeah I definitely owe Tecmo an apology. they put forth actual effort in solving a problem and my ridicule was uncalled for.

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is FSI still better than Troll regen, at 60 with Torpor?

At 60 with Torpor, It doesn't matter which race your shaman is. No bs

[Tecmos Deception]

No worries Baler.

I actually started an ogre sham on teal last night, yrlling myself "ill level troll AND ogre and see which I like better!" but I think the ogre will fall way behind now that the troll hit 24 and doesn't have 6 minute meds between kills anymore. Heh.

[solidious77]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is FSI still better than Troll regen, at 60 with Torpor?

Yes. I don't think you can argue that either. Since the regen factor is just about negated by Torpor, why not take the FSI?