Ogre Stun Resist Explained?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting hit still makes you need to channel to cast and there is a chance of channeling failure.

Getting physically stunned by a slam or bash or kickstun is a 100% chance of spell interrupt. On an ogre that doesn't happen.

This isn't really the whole story though is it?

I always thought that bash (and slam) can interrupt a spell apart from the stun (since a bash that connects doesn't always also stun) or the melee damage/push+channeling failure. Like with 56+ NPCs: they can't be stunned, but a bash can still (instantly) interrupt a spellcast on those mobs.

Like... if you have a spellcast and you get pushed or otherwise fail to channel through normal damage, you get the interrupt message at the end of the spellcast and it just doesn't go off. But even when bash doesn't stun, it sometimes will INSTANTLY interrupt a spellcast, stopping the cast bar and delivering the interrupt message immediately.

I'm not just imagining this right?


Edit - yeah I'm not imagining it. Bash and slam can instantly interrupt a spell without the stun component working.

[Sat Nov 02 08:21:17 2019] You begin casting Root.
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:17 2019] You can't use that command right now...
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:18 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:18 2019] You can't use that command right now...
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:18 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:18 2019] Your spell is interrupted.
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:18 2019] Guard Gvarr bashes YOU for 5 points of damage.
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:19 2019] Guard Gvarr slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sat Nov 02 08:21:21 2019] You bash Guard Gvarr for 1 point of damage.

This bash did not stun. Root has a 2.0 second cast. The bash instantly interrupted the root before its cast time was finished purely from "bash interrupt."

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=334923

Haynar: Bash can now interrupt spells, even if the stun component does not land (Credit work by Torven/Mackal).

Does a bash that interrupts WITHOUT the stun component landing affect an ogre from the front? Or no?

[Baler]

Frontal Stun Immunity makes ogres unable to be stunned by melee ~180 degrees in front of them.

FSI does not provide any form of interrupt immunity beyond the stun resistance aforementioned.

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So with the change that can allow bash to interrupt without stunning. Ogres can be interrupted by bash from the front even if they resist the stun.

[FatherSioux]

So ogre shaman min max choice needs to be reconsidered.

[Kinaki]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So ogre shaman min max choice needs to be reconsidered.

Hardly. It's exceedingly rare to get interrupted on a successful bash.

[Golliath]

Originally Posted by Kinaki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hardly. It's exceedingly rare to get interrupted on a successful bash.

I guess the question is, what percentage of bashes don't stun? If it's 50/50 then you effectively halve the racial bonus of Ogres. Or possibly even worse if we are saying that there are two separate components, 1. dmg which can interrupt anyone and 2. stun that interrupts everyone but Ogres. Are they run on the same check, or two separate checks? If there is now a chance on every bash that an Ogre can be interrupted it makes a lot more argument for Troll vs Ogre.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Golliath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the question is, what percentage of bashes don't stun? If it's 50/50 then you effectively halve the racial bonus of Ogres. Or possibly even worse if we are saying that there are two separate components, 1. dmg which can interrupt anyone and 2. stun that interrupts everyone but Ogres. Are they run on the same check, or two separate checks? If there is now a chance on every bash that an Ogre can be interrupted it makes a lot more argument for Troll vs Ogre.

The first 30 "bashes YOU" in my log were perfectly 50/50 on stun, fwiw.

[Golliath]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first 30 "bashes YOU" in my log were perfectly 50/50 on stun, fwiw.

Still wondering if there are two components though, or is there a stunbash and regbash. If every bash that has dmg can interrupt does it now mean 100% of all bashes now have a chance to interrupt even ogres. I mean it would impact everyone but if we chose ogres because bash didn't impact our casting, how useful is it now?

[Baler]

If we're talking shaman. Race doesn't matter.
With torpor you can literally play any race and do just fine.
And I've argued a ton with people about FSI vs Regen.

[Golliath]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we're talking shaman. Race doesn't matter.
With torpor you can literally play any race and do just fine.
And I've argued a ton with people about FSI vs Regen.

Sure. But that's lvl 60 with your best spell.

If 1-60 you can have super-duper regen or nothing (if FSI is bunk now), why would you go Ogre and suffer through 59 levels?

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Golliath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure. But that's lvl 60 with your best spell.

If 1-60 you can have super-duper regen or nothing (if FSI is bunk now), why would you go Ogre and suffer through 59 levels?

In classic I would argue that ogre is the best starting race because of the FSI + best starting stats for shm.
(mind you I lean towards troll every day in the end)