Do you want open book/blind meditiation?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Azoraa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is soo much posts about this that I don't even know what is being done about it now. But if it is going to be the blank screen, my friend and I are not going to want to even start investing our time into it. There is a lot of time spend meditating and getting to level 35 will be very slow*, so NOT fun way to play.

*not implying that we want it to be fast at all. Just not going to spend out play time with a blanked out screen for days on end.

Azoraa, I can't speak for Rogean or Nilbog, but I think their honest response would be "ok".

Green isn't for everyone: it very much is a different game. If WoW is "EQ 3.0", and modern/live EQ is "2.0", then Blue is "1.5" (1.2?), and Green is "1.0". You're 100% right that things are slower, and "less fun" as you go down in versions.

WoW is absolutely, 100% faster: everyone here would agree. We'd also mostly all agree that WoW is "more fun", in a sense: perhaps it's more accurate to say the barriers to having fun are lower on WoW.

The reason people play older/harder/"less fun" MMOGs is because they're older/harder. When you accomplish something on Blue, like say getting your epic weapon, it's a monumental achievement. Everyone here still remembers getting their epic on live (if they played), because it very likely was harder than anything they ever had to do in another game.

The fact that it takes more effort to achieve a goal is exactly why the ClassicQuesters/ClassHoles are excited to play this even older, even "less fun" game, and why they want to be blind while meditating. When they get to level 35 and don't have to be blind anymore, they'll get to have a (genuinely fun) experience that someone who only plays on WoW or even Blue will never get.

It's just like if we get night blindness, or any other "less fun feature" here: people will get to experience the joy of acquiring an Ultravision item, something that is meaningless on Blue. Without night blindness no one will ever get to appreciate such items again (the way they did back in '99).

Green will be full of "harder, but in a way more fun" experiences like this, and we just want to book blindness to be one more of them.

[Azoraa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Azoraa, I can't speak for Rogean or Nilbog, but I think their honest response would be "ok".

Green isn't for everyone: it very much is a different game. If WoW is "EQ 3.0", and modern/live EQ is "2.0", then Blue is "1.5" (1.2?), and Green is "1.0". You're 100% right that things are slower, and "less fun" as you go down in versions.

WoW is absolutely, 100% faster: everyone here would agree. We'd also mostly all agree that WoW is "more fun", in a sense: perhaps it's more accurate to say the barriers to having fun are lower on WoW.

The reason people play older/harder/"less fun" MMOGs is because they're older/harder. When you accomplish something on Blue, like say getting your epic weapon, it's a monumental achievement. Everyone here still remembers getting their epic on live (if they played), because it very likely was harder than anything they ever had to do in another game.

The fact that it takes more effort to achieve a goal is exactly why the ClassicQuesters/ClassHoles are excited to play this even older, even "less fun" game, and why they want to be blind while meditating. When they get to level 35 and don't have to be blind anymore, they'll get to have a (genuinely fun) experience that someone who only plays on WoW or even Blue will never get.

It's just like if we get night blindness, or any other "less fun feature" here: people will get to experience the joy of acquiring an Ultravision item, something that is meaningless on Blue. Without night blindness no one will ever get to appreciate such items again (the way they did back in '99).

Green will be full of "harder, but in a way more fun" experiences like this, and we just want to book blindness to be one more of them.

Sure, and my honest response is also, "Ok". On these other points about it being "harder", that is Ok too. It has been noted that you can also restrict your bandwidth, downstep your resolution, etc. to make it harder. So if you want to do that, those are optional things you can do as well.

As for the blind meditation, are they definitely forcing that or not? I read that the forced UI is already confirmed, if that is the case then we have another frustration... resize your chat windows by dragging corners around (?) <chuckle> - though perhaps a lesser deterrence.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Azoraa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the blind meditation, are they definitely forcing that or not?

My understanding is that the "book UI" will be forced open ... but the overall UI will still be an unclassic one, which means the book part of it will only take up a small portion of the screen.

From 1 to 35 you'll be forced to keep your book open when you meditate ... but (unclassicaly ... and I'm still hoping against hope that Rogean changes his mind on this) it won't fill your whole screen and prevent you from seeing what else is going on.

[Azoraa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My understanding is that the "book UI" will be forced open ... but the overall UI will still be an unclassic one, which means the book part of it will only take up a small portion of the screen.

From 1 to 35 you'll be forced to keep your book open when you meditate ... but (unclassicaly ... and I'm still hoping against hope that Rogean changes his mind on this) it won't fill your whole screen and prevent you from seeing what else is going on.

Ah ok - good idea.. Sounds like it may be an acceptable solution for everyone then. Since you want to be blind and get killed while trying to meditate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.], can you stretch the book out to cover whole screen?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Azoraa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah ok - good idea.. Sounds like it may be an acceptable solution for everyone then. Since you want to be blind and get killed while trying to meditate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.], can you stretch the book out to cover whole screen?

That's a reasonable question which I don't know the answer to.

But look, I think there's something hinted at in that argument, and a lot of people are more than just hinting at it in their posts, so I want to address it. The basic idea is "If you want things classic, just simulate it on your own damn computer loser; stop bothering us" (I know you didn't say it like that, I'm just exaggerating for effect).

That misses the entire difference between Final Fantasy and EverQuest (ie. between single-player RPGs and MMOGs). I can make Final Fantasy, or Diablo, or any such game harder on myself if I want. I can disable certain keyboard keys, turn down my monitor's brightness, or even tie one of my hands behind my back ... and maybe that's fun in a way, the same way speed running old games is fun for some people.

The appeal of massively multi-player online games is that you're "competing" with everyone else in an open world. If everyone else plays by different rules than you (ie. they're playing a different game), you get none of the satisfaction from imposing arbitrary limits on yourself, or at least the only satisfaction you get is on the same level as speed running.

But if everyone has to stare at their spell book, and everyone has to deal with visions issues, and everyone has to kill a million mobs to level (instead of only having to kill 100, or however many it is on WoW) ... then when you accomplish something, it matters.

[Daldaen]

Book blindness should be enforced for the entire life of the server for all casting classes.

This isn’t just a minor issue for the first 35 levels of the game. For them it’s an issue whenever they meditate.

However for the entirety of the game until Luclin, opening your spell book would block out your entire screen, even at level 60. This is extremely relevant for many of the soloing classes like Enchanters, Shamans and Necromancers that shine on P99, it’s because they’re able to easily swap out spells while still having full vision of their surroundings mid fight. This should not be possible and makes soloing in dangerous areas much easier.

There’s a reason you only have access to 8 spell gems. You need to make a choice on which spells you want to have up prior to a fight. If you decide to change one out you should need to open your book and be blind to your surroundings to do so.

I really Hope book blindness makes it in for green.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

As I said make it OPTIONAL! Surely these "blind-book" advocates will all CHOOSE to play like that, after lobbying for it, correct?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Book blindness should be enforced for the entire life of the server for all casting classes.

This isn’t just a minor issue for the first 35 levels of the game. For them it’s an issue whenever they meditate.

However for the entirety of the game until Luclin, opening your spell book would block out your entire screen, even at level 60. This is extremely relevant for many of the soloing classes like Enchanters, Shamans and Necromancers that shine on P99, it’s because they’re able to easily swap out spells while still having full vision of their surroundings mid fight. This should not be possible and makes soloing in dangerous areas much easier.

There’s a reason you only have access to 8 spell gems. You need to make a choice on which spells you want to have up prior to a fight. If you decide to change one out you should need to open your book and be blind to your surroundings to do so.

I really Hope book blindness makes it in for green.

Didn't you leave for Live TLP servers many years ago? Do you even plan to play on G99 or are you just trying to sabotage the project now?

[Nirgon]

Why should they care what anyone thinks, make it classic

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or are you just trying to sabotage the project now?

You seem to be confused about something. A person who helps to make Project 1999 more classic ... any person ... even someone who never played on Project 1999 in their entire life ... is NOT "sabotaging" it! In fact, they're doing the exact opposite.

Daldaen was once a stand-up member of the P99 community. Years ago he even sold me my tear for my epic, at a very good price no less.

Yes, he has since fallen from grace (hard), and yes he did go play in the place we shall not speak of ... but even without checking your post history I can still pretty much guarantee that even two or three years ago, Daldaen had already done more to help the project than you have ... ever.