Agreements on bottlenecks in the new Chardok quests

[DallyLlama]

Rolling like scout makes the most sense. Being a mob that will take a couple of people, the best thing is everyone just helps kill it ASAP. Or else you have to watch the timer grow by an hour each turn in as the winner begs for help and people take a while to get to the mines. All guilds do it for scout and ring roll and it’s the best community thing this server has going for it.

[NegaStoat]

Calling it now - Ban Assault Bat Wings.

[Vapos]

The classic spawn timers on these sorts of quests was fine in the classic era, but I wish the staff would realize they were never meant for TLP servers. The Scout is bad enough at 10 hours (should be lowered, clearly), but 3 days? People will try and fail to win this roll for years. Senseless.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Vapos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The classic spawn timers on these sorts of quests was fine in the classic era, but I wish the staff would realize they were never meant for TLP servers.

Thank god this isn't a TLP server.

[Meiva]

I don't understand the rush. If this emulator has taught us anything, it should be patience. Let the turn in be a shitshow for a while. Then let's evaluate.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Meiva [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand the rush. If this emulator has taught us anything, it should be patience. Let the turn in be a shitshow for a while. Then let's evaluate.

This is 100% what will happen. Again, the staff doesn't step in and set rules for this kind of thing: it's just not what they do (ie. what they've done for the past decade or so that this server has existed).

For those that don't remember, Scout was a clickfest for quite a long time after Velious was released. It wasn't until a motivated group of players came together and said "we think the current system sucks, and we're going to work to make it better". Then all those players had to essentially browbeat every other person on the server who wanted Scout into joining them, until there were only a few true assholes left who wouldn't join.

That was the beautiful thing about it: the roll was 100% a player-initiated thing. On a server where everyone "competed" with everyone else, and where there was no template for a bunch of players being reasonable before, the Scout people invented a better way to play Everquest, and then put in the effort to try and get everyone to play that way.

So for everyone who wants to see sanity for the Chardok 2.0 quests, whining or begging the staff to intervene won't make it happen. Start organizing now to get people to agree to roll (say) two minutes before the spawn. It will not happen right away: I can guarantee there will be too many neckbeards initially who won't agree. But if it's ever going to happen it will happen because some players started an agreement, then convinced more players to join, and THEN the staff agrees to enforce it: that's how Scout happened, and that's how Chardok 2.0 rolls could happen.

P.S. And who knows, maybe it won't even be as hard as with Scout? Maybe the staff will decide the click fest makes more work for them, and they'll cement the player agreement when only 60% of players agree to it (instead of 95% or whatever with Scout).

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is 100% what will happen. Again, the staff doesn't step in and set rules for this kind of thing: it's just not what they do (ie. what they've done for the past decade or so that this server has existed).

For those that don't remember, Scout was a clickfest for quite a long time after Velious was released. It wasn't until a motivated group of players came together and said "we think the current system sucks, and we're going to work to make it better". Then all those players had to essentially browbeat every other person on the server who wanted Scout into joining them, until there were only a few true assholes left who wouldn't join.

That was the beautiful thing about it: the roll was 100% a player-initiated thing. On a server where everyone "competed" with everyone else, and where there was no template for a bunch of players being reasonable before, the Scout people invented a better way to play Everquest, and then put in the effort to try and get everyone to play that way.

So for everyone who wants to see sanity for the Chardok 2.0 quests, whining or begging the staff to intervene won't make it happen. Start organizing now to get people to agree to roll (say) two minutes before the spawn. It will not happen right away: I can guarantee there will be too many neckbeards initially who won't agree. But if it's ever going to happen it will happen because some players started an agreement, then convinced more players to join, and THEN the staff agrees to enforce it: that's how Scout happened, and that's how Chardok 2.0 rolls could happen.

Terrible system. A handful of loud players whined about scout so it got changed? Many people never voted for it and it ended up being a small % of the server population making a rule for everyone on the server.

Staff should absolutely have something in place for this kind of thing. Either that or make p99 a lawless land (let the highest dps/lowest ping win in all things) but we all know that is not true.

The alternative is what? They look at hundreds of petitions till they get sick of it? Wait for players to do the work? Seems awful either of those ways.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is 100% what will happen. Again, the staff doesn't step in and set rules for this kind of thing: it's just not what they do (ie. what they've done for the past decade or so that this server has existed).

For those that don't remember, Scout was a clickfest for quite a long time after Velious was released. It wasn't until a motivated group of players came together and said "we think the current system sucks, and we're going to work to make it better". Then all those players had to essentially browbeat every other person on the server who wanted Scout into joining them, until there were only a few true assholes left who wouldn't join.

That was the beautiful thing about it: the roll was 100% a player-initiated thing. On a server where everyone "competed" with everyone else, and where there was no template for a bunch of players being reasonable before, the Scout people invented a better way to play Everquest, and then put in the effort to try and get everyone to play that way.

So for everyone who wants to see sanity for the Chardok 2.0 quests, whining or begging the staff to intervene won't make it happen. Start organizing now to get people to agree to roll (say) two minutes before the spawn. It will not happen right away: I can guarantee there will be too many neckbeards initially who won't agree. But if it's ever going to happen it will happen because some players started an agreement, then convinced more players to join, and THEN the staff agrees to enforce it: that's how Scout happened, and that's how Chardok 2.0 rolls could happen.

This is the fantasy land version of the current scout roll dynamic (that a lot of people don't like).

The idea that you get banned by GMs if you break this agreement should mean that it is an enforced GM rule not a player enforced rule.

[Hibbs]

Ready your bat wings! *smirk*

[aaezil]

Another hadden disaster waiting to happen