What type of PVP server would you want

[wehrmacht]

This poll is completely useless. Nearly every pick has 8 level PvP range in it. Nobody wants to play on a server with immortal healers. So whoever reads this thing, just ignore that 8 levels thing entirely.

Stop trying to repeat the mistakes of TZVZ all over again. Playing with immortal healers is just as awful as PvPing on a server where people are allowed more than one IP so everyone you fight is dragging a healbot behind them.

Next problem is that the majority of people that vote FFA, no teams, are people that think they should get to control and win the server just because they start with a guild of 40 people on day 1. They'll zerg the poll on here just like they plan to zerg the game when it goes live.

I went over all the stuff in this post on how to make a server that lasts over 1 month: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=31288

[Jigga]

Next problem is that the majority of people that vote FFA, no teams, are people that think they should get to control and win the server just because they start with a guild of 40 people on day 1.

Fishbait,which you were part of i believe, started off hands down as the biggest guild and it didnt fair well for them.

This is where you follow up and cry about heresy hacks or GM favortism that gave them an edge over the 50+ fishbait that got shit stomped

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Jigga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fishbait,which you were part of i believe, started off hands down as the biggest guild and it didnt fair well for them.

This is where you follow up and cry about heresy hacks or GM favortism that gave them an edge over the 50+ fishbait that got shit stomped

As reposted from other thread:

I was in Holocaust, a guild with like 5 people. There was absolutely no way in hell to stop Heresy from taking over the server with our tiny numbers so me and Maverix joined Fish Bait out of pity so Heresy didn't have free reign over the server. Lethdar/whorella came sometimes too.

The numbers at PvP raids were practically even. I think Heresy even had more a lot of the time because they went and zerg-mass recruited guilds like ROFLCOPTER and Tallon Zek Times people.

[Hasbinbad]

flawed poll..
3 options for ffa style splits up those who want ffa into 3 seemingly smaller groups while consolidating the team group in one option..

I would bet that if you add the three ffa styles that they will always outnumber the team options numbers.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

flawed poll..
3 options for ffa style splits up those who want ffa into 3 seemingly smaller groups while consolidating the team group in one option..

I would bet that if you add the three ffa styles that they will always outnumber the team options numbers.

You also ignored the problem that like 90% of the PvP posters on this board are Heresy members who all want FFA even though it leads to nothing but a shitty server that implodes after 1 month.

We also already had one of these polls a LONG time ago on the TZVZ boards. Searyx put it up and I think teams won by 55/45 split then. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was really close on that board.

[AffEcT]

I am a bit surprised that team got the votes.
Team is not very good for balance if you ask me.

I played RZ and SZ and a little TZ and i think RZ was better in the PvP balance since it was FFA.
The PvP lvl range was awsome from SZ but it was the team thing that i think kinda screwed the balance.

Evil team = SK, Necro minus Druid, Paladin
SK and Necro are two of the strongest PvP classes in the game.
No shit evil team won the server =P

Team PvP is really not a good idea since it limits things. Limitations are not always good imo.

[AffEcT]

I guess it depends on what kinda team server it will be.
SZ style with deity based teams or VZ/TZ with racial teams.

Could be team based server with no limitations on race or deity but that would kinda lose the point and one team
would probably just get more numbers and dominate the server anyway.

A guild can also mass recruit players but you can limit a guild to an amount and players can ally with or against a common enemy.
Always known as Politics....

But with a team based server you are kinda stuck. Just the idea of not being able to kill some jerk who is giving you the finger, because he is on the same team....

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by AffEcT [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am a bit surprised that team got the votes.
Team is not very good for balance if you ask me.

If you think teams aren't very good balance, you haven't played TZVZ FFA server. The balance is so bad that a guild named Heresy will create a zerg of 40 people on a population of 100 server then after everyone quits because it's terrible, they have to split their guild into two and Rexx leads one guild and Knuckle leads the other guild and they fight each other. Wow that sounds fucking awesome?

Originally Posted by AffEcT [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Evil team = SK, Necro minus Druid, Paladin
SK and Necro are two of the strongest PvP classes in the game.
No shit evil team won the server =P

SK and Necro are the least of reasons for why evil dominated the server. We didn't even have one single SK in my guild because it was looked down upon as a no skill idiot class so nobody wanted to be "that guy". Then we had 2 necros at raids out of 28 people.

It wasn't until something like PoP era that you saw guilds like Hate with 10 SK's at a raid of 40 people.

There's plenty of info on why things turned out on SZ the way they did in this post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...5&postcount=25

The good team only managed to field one guild (black prophecy), but if the numbers below are anywhere near correct, it wasn't because population issues. They had too many noobs and casual players or something. If you combined the good and neutral team for creating this server, you really have no damn excuse for why evils would win except for incompetence.



Best Guess Server Population
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These population estimates are based on the assumption that everyone level 6 and above were either killed or killed someone atleast once during the month. It's not perfect but it's the best we can do without more help from Sony.

August '02
Good: 1485 - 33.2%
Neutral: 1201 - 26.9%
Evil: 1783 - 39.9%
September '02

Good: 1941 - 34.0%
Neutral: 1485 - 26.0%
Evil: 2279 - 39.9%

December '02

Good: 1904 - 33.7%
Neutral: 1367 - 24.2%
Evil: 2384 - 42.2%

January '03

Good: 2310 - 33.9%
Neutral: 1675 - 24.6%
Evil: 2834 - 41.6%

Febuary '03

Good: 2276 - 36.1%
Neutral: 1483 - 23.5%
Evil: 2554 - 40.5%

March '03

Good: 2162 - 35.8%
Neutral: 1486 - 24.6%
Evil: 2386 - 39.5%

[AffEcT]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think teams aren't very good balance, you haven't played TZVZ FFA server. The balance is so bad that a guild named Heresy will create a zerg of 40 people on a population of 100 server then after everyone quits because it's terrible, they have to split their guild into two and Rexx leads one guild and Knuckle leads the other guild and they fight each other. Wow that sounds fucking awesome?

I have played VZTZ from the very start (Digital/Arrows) and i know that the server was a bit screwed up.
But come on.... Yes Heresy zerged and whined like bitches wen the same thing happened against em.
They even got them selfs a wipe that basically destroyed the server.
But that doesn't matter. Some ppl are just no lifers. They will do whatever it takes to stay on top.
Doesn't matter if we have team or FFA. This will always be the case.

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SK and Necro are the least of reasons for why evil dominated the server. We didn't even have one single SK in my guild because it was looked down upon as a no skill idiot class so nobody wanted to be "that guy". Then we had 2 necros at raids out of 28 people.

I am not claiming to know everything like some ppl do.
But i was just saying that this could have been
one of the issues on the balance front.
And i think that players should be able to play whatever race class they want to.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by RealSmedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On topic: I came from a race wars server, was fun, but always ends with everyone "X-teaming" anyway, so the reason of doing race wars really fades away quickly when everyone goes x-team anyway.

You can't Xteam on a 2 team sullon zek type server. Can't heal or buff the other team. The only thing you can do is log on the side that's different from your main then train your own team. If there was to be any rule on the server, it should probably be prohibiting that.