Camp Rules

[Legidias]

I mean, we need more specifics. You said you were actively clearing, and I assume you're a lvl 60 from previous post, so how was there mobs up to freely aggro him just running by? Even a lvl 60 wiz could just melee down 6 lvl 20's at the same time.

You said you killed the one mob he aggro'd, yet also say you were accused of KSing 6 mobs??


There's a lot of inconsistencies.

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really salty that I got suspended

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a genuine question and not salty rage post

I think it really depends on how you handled the situation. If you talked to the player who you had the dispute with it would have likely worked itself out. However, if you went full retarded and started cussing and arguing with the victim, you likely ate a suspension for being a douche bag more than the actual KS.

Play nice and typically you will live (not get suspended) even if you make a mistake.

Prime example - me! - I have never been suspended in game because I take my rage out anonymously on the forums and act like a human being while playing the game.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm open to the fact that I'm probably just dumb and don't understand the rules so help me out.

Perhaps my biggest pet peeve here is that there are a lot of different definitions of the rules, and then on top of them there's also "secret" rules that you have to read the forum to learn. I fully understand that the GMs need a degree of discretion when making rulings, and that's why they don't list out every last ruling for every camp in the game, but even so it seems to me personally like we've swung too far towards obfuscating the rules for players.

Here's the real/"secret" rules of camps (as I understand them ... but I'm not staff). Outdoors you can camp exactly one spawn point. Well, you can camp as many spawn points as you can camp, until someone else comes along. At that point (if you can't work out any other arrangement) you get to pick one spawn point to keep as your's. The new person then gets to pick one of the remaining spawn points as theirs, and then every other spawn involved becomes "FTE" (First to Engage). In other words, whoever aggroed it first gets it.

Indoors the rules are almost the same, but sometimes you can camp multiple spawn points if they're "one camp". This is only the case when they are A) close to each other , B) within line of sight of each other, and C) the GM who gets petitioned decides it counts as a camp (again, the staff deliberately does not decide in advance except on very popular camps, so that they aren't limited by previous staff rulings).

So in your scenario, it sounds like you had one spawn point camped, and no one else was trying to take it. But then the remaining spawn points weren't your camp. This made them either the other guy's spawn (although it doesn't sound like any such thing was established) or FTE. Since all other mobs there were FTE and he engaged them first, you technically stole his kill.

But the part of this whole thing that bugs me is your description of the GM response. As others have mentioned, the staff doesn't usually just blindly suspend people for a simple misunderstanding over mobs. I'm guessing there's more to this story, like say how you conducted yourself when the staff member appeared.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, we need more specifics. You said you were actively clearing, and I assume you're a lvl 60 from previous post, so how was there mobs up to freely aggro him just running by? Even a lvl 60 wiz could just melee down 6 lvl 20's at the same time.

You said you killed the one mob he aggro'd, yet also say you were accused of KSing 6 mobs??


There's a lot of inconsistencies.

I am sitting at idol spawn and don't have los of the far right spawn and rely on social aggro to kill, so usually the far right spawns are up for a few seconds. Again - if this is something obviously against the rules than I'll accept my punishment - this was a post inquisitive in nature.

The 6 number comes from the fact he was running around the zone for a while and when he would come by my camp he would attempt to kill the straggler mob that aggrod him, I was there for around 6 hours, and this particular dude sent me that tell and logged around 4hrish hours i got there, to give you a time frame.

I'll reiterate this point again as well. He made no prior attempts at communication other than the tell he sent right before he logged I posted above.

I've also had no contact with staff before or after suspension. But my forum post on the petition page is as respectful as possible. From what you explained above I guess it makes sense that it was an outdoor zone he technically got fte on those spawns and I shouldn't have assumed they were mine. I was honestly unaware of the distinction between outdoor and indoor zones and I appreciate your post for my future camping sessions.

[elwing]

Outdoor zone are different, you can claim exactly one spawn point if someone contest, everything else is fte as far as I am aware...

[Legidias]

What was your response to GM's? Especially for KS or camp issues, GM's will message you and ask about the situation first. They don't blindly suspend for no reason.

90% of cases where said person has been banned was because they either mouthed off to GM or just ignored the warning and continued on.

HHP is considered an outdoor zone, so as per above, you technically can only claim 1 spawn when another person wants to share. Other person can also claim one and anything else is FTE.

Seeing as how supposedly the other guy never contacted you about sharing, he might've instantly petitioned instead, in which case the GM would just say the exact same thing I did, where you need to share.

It seems you killed his single spawn mob 6 times in a row as he aggrod it past? That would probably be where it came from, but again, GM's dont just blindly hand out suspensions.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What was your response to GM's? Especially for KS or camp issues, GM's will message you and ask about the situation first. They don't blindly suspend for no reason.

90% of cases where said person has been banned was because they either mouthed off to GM or just ignored the warning and continued on.

HHP is considered an outdoor zone, so as per above, you technically can only claim 1 spawn when another person wants to share. Other person can also claim one and anything else is FTE.

Seeing as how supposedly the other guy never contacted you about sharing, he might've instantly petitioned instead, in which case the GM would just say the exact same thing I did, where you need to share.

It seems you killed his single spawn mob 6 times in a row as he aggrod it past? That would probably be where it came from, but again, GM's dont just blindly hand out suspensions.

Right, he would just run by the orc camp, get aggro on an orc, two orcs I think one time, and than turn around to kill at kith zl. I would pet attack his mobs, so now I know this is a no no.

The guy who petitioned me ksing never asked me for mobs or any other tell and the GMs did not communicate with me beforehand. At no point this week since or before my suspension have I been approached by GMs.

[Qtip]

Were you corpsing idols as they dropped?

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Qtip [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were you corpsing idols as they dropped?

Nah, handing off to guildies or logging onto mules

[bigjeff100]

No matter who was right or wrong here.. Homey was a turd for going straight to GM's and should be punished for any lack of attempting to resolve this between you 2. I also think he's a turd because any normal joe can zone in there, see a high level sitting at the camp and already know what he's doing, so just move on. Instead he appears to be looking for drama...