Why not switch?

[Rivera]

Originally Posted by tnttoken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of the people that post with such strong opposition to red are the ones that tried it, leveled to 15 (which takes 2-4 hours for a new player) in a popular PvP zone and got killed, then logged off forever because nobody would hand them gear or money or hold their hand.

You do have to have somewhat of a brain to survive red I will add.

^ When lonely autists have to justify what they spend all day doing.

[fan D]

if you want to just play some Everquest, blue is great

The problem is you start thinking, hmm, most of the stats on blue are basically worthless. A bunch of stats have no value on blue, and same thing with alot of gear. All you do on blue is auto attack trivial content. All of the kunark and velious raids were cleared on day 1. So you are now level 60, and you're raiding, and you realize half the items and stats dont matter, and theres nothing to do with the gear you do get. The guild you're in isn't going to actually need the items to progress, most guilds could do any of the content if they had the chance.

so on red, atleast you get to use the items you spent hours grinding for. playing with 100 people on a pvp server is still infinitely more fun than blue, imo

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by fan D [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you want to just play some Everquest, blue is great

The problem is you start thinking, hmm, most of the stats on blue are basically worthless.

so on red, atleast you get to use the items you spent hours grinding for. playing with 100 people on a pvp server is still infinitely more fun than blue, imo

YOU start to think this. YOU think that it's still more fun than blue. If this was a common thing for other people to think as well, red would have more than 40 people on it right now, wouldn't it?

[fan D]

i played blue for years before realizing it

once i tried red there was no going back

some of my bluest of guildys came to red and thought the same thing. they'd never go back to blue, there's just nothing to do once you have a couple of 60s and such. it's not about 24/7 pvp, it's about the threat of pvp to introduce some variables into the equation. there's only so many times you can auto attack the same dragons, ya dig?

[fan D]

when I started blue my goal was to level in all of the obscure dungeons that I never did on live. i did that, got 60. got bored. red99 is the same thing as blue with just a little more excitement

[thebutthat]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YOU start to think this. YOU think that it's still more fun than blue. If this was a common thing for other people to think as well, red would have more than 40 people on it right now, wouldn't it?

EQ wasn't designed for pvp, it was an after thought. The game rewards class/gear over any practical skill. When X always beats Y, unless Y has infinitely better gear than X, that equals stale game play in a lot of peoples minds. I much prefer the meta of modern MMOs for PVP as they somewhat cater to those communities and put gameplay balance in place for it. PVP, you're pitting player vs player...so the better player should win, not the one with the bigger neck beard. That's always been the problem with EQ pvp, and why it's not really a thing anyone has ever taken seriously since MMO games with PVP design have been around.

I for one would never waste the time playing broken EQ PVP regardless of the ruleset. Did it for a few years on live, and it was ok before games with PVP in mind started coming around. P1999 EQ PVP It's a niche within a niche at best and will always be an unpopulated graveyard. Doesn't matter if you put teams or whatever flavor of PVP you chose. It'll be dead shortly after it's launch.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by fan D [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you want to just play some Everquest, blue is great

The problem is you start thinking, hmm, most of the stats on blue are basically worthless. A bunch of stats have no value on blue, and same thing with alot of gear. All you do on blue is auto attack trivial content. All of the kunark and velious raids were cleared on day 1. So you are now level 60, and you're raiding, and you realize half the items and stats dont matter, and theres nothing to do with the gear you do get. The guild you're in isn't going to actually need the items to progress, most guilds could do any of the content if they had the chance.

so on red, atleast you get to use the items you spent hours grinding for. playing with 100 people on a pvp server is still infinitely more fun than blue, imo

I played PVP on Everquest literally for years, went to EQ2 played PVP, went to WAR played PVP, I have always been a PVP player.

I 100% understand your sentiment regarding gears and how you build your character much like one would a race car, trying to maximize it best to win more races. that aspect is really fun on MMOs, but only when you have enough players to PVP with.

You have to have a decent, healthy population for ANY PVP game to thrive. Period. When past PVP games lost population on a server, the server died.

Plain and simple, you need PEOPLE to succeed on a PVP server. RED does not offer that, my man.

[fan D]

then enjoy blue sicko

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by fan D [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then enjoy blue sicko

Will do, along with the rest of the fifteen times as many people that are logged into blue than red right now.

[fan D]

*stares at a wall for 16 hours*

this is great!