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Troxx · #1 03-08-2017, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Darguth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not exactly the point. Getting solid melee gear to scale up is not trivial. Getting a new summon spell is fairly trivial.

On the flip side that level 53 necro pet will always be a level 53 necro pet. The level 53 monk, ranger, warrior, or rogue will potentially one day be level 60 - possibly with amazingly powerful gear.

Melee classes peak later and generally to a much more pronounced degree.

Darguth · #2 03-09-2017, 10:26 AM

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On the flip side that level 53 necro pet will always be a level 53 necro pet. The level 53 monk, ranger, warrior, or rogue will potentially one day be level 60 - possibly with amazingly powerful gear.

Melee classes peak later and generally to a much more pronounced degree.

Never being a hardcore poopsocker, this is little consolation to players such as myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lowako · #3 03-07-2017, 07:37 PM

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It really sucks playing a melee DPS, putting tons of time into your toon's gear, and then being pretty clearly out-DPSed by a basic summoned pet :/

Casters scale hard with levels, melees scale hard with gear. A 50s rogue with epic and proper buffs can easily hit over/around 100 dps (double the pet) and a 50s monk with epic and SoS or tstaff or double fists can easily sustain 60ish dps (still more than a pet). I think pre-epic (levels 50-54 is when i started looking at parses in KC+seb) rogues can easily do 60ish dps with buffs. You just need to put time into the right gear on a melee.

If anything I'd complain about the strength of charm pets. They typically do about as well as rogues, but even then its not worth complaining because charmed pets have a chance to completely fucking delete the caster whenever it feels like. A properly geared up and buffed charmed pet can do upwards of like 200 dps vs undead mobs though, so I suppose that is a bit strong given the utility the caster can provide as well.

Darguth · #4 03-08-2017, 09:29 AM

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If anything I'd complain about the strength of charm pets. They typically do about as well as rogues, but even then its not worth complaining because charmed pets have a chance to completely fucking delete the caster whenever it feels like. A properly geared up and buffed charmed pet can do upwards of like 200 dps vs undead mobs though, so I suppose that is a bit strong given the utility the caster can provide as well.

Yeah, charms are a fairly separate issue but definitely an egregious one. One of the things I hope Pantheon will address significantly better than EQ did [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Samoht · #5 03-08-2017, 11:01 AM

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If anything I'd complain about the strength of charm pets. They typically do about as well as rogues, but even then its not worth complaining because charmed pets have a chance to completely fucking delete the caster whenever it feels like. A properly geared up and buffed charmed pet can do upwards of like 200 dps vs undead mobs though, so I suppose that is a bit strong given the utility the caster can provide as well.

I remember playing Enchanter on a Yael raid once where I charmed a fully buffed, dual wielding ratman warrior. I smoked everybody else in total damage done. It was ridiculously double the next person. I didn't get the kill EXP because it was all casters in my group, including an epic Mage. In typical fashion, he was AFK the entire fight. Didn't cast a single nuke. I'm not even sure he told his pet to attack.

That's why people don't like Mages (or Necros).