Jaundiced Bone Bracer - to buy or not to buy?

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used my jbb till 55 lvl, and only stopped because I quit playing the shaman. The bracer enables you to spam a decent nuke using zero mana.

This is the big myth about the JBB and why people think its useful.

The problem is that its just not true. Using a JBB costs mana.

You are not medding, you are not cannibalising. You lose mana every time you click a JBB. The opportunity cost for a Canni-dancing L53 Shaman for every JBB cast is 150 mana**. That's a LOT of mana for 253 damage.

** technically you should adjust this for the cost of maintaining Chloroplast but you get the idea.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the big myth about the JBB and why people think its useful.

The problem is that its just not true. Using a JBB costs mana.

You are not medding, you are not cannibalising. You lose mana every time you click a JBB. The opportunity cost for a Canni-dancing L53 Shaman for every JBB cast is 150 mana**. That's a LOT of mana for 253 damage.

** technically you should adjust this for the cost of maintaining Chloroplast but you get the idea.

What else are you doing dps with?

Dots aren't going to always be efficient, especially when the mobs get below 50%.

The longer fights go on the more mobs can dps you too.

There's opportunity cost to burning down a mob quicker than spending time canni/dancing.

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What else are you doing dps with?

Dots aren't going to always be efficient, especially when the mobs get below 50%.

The longer fights go on the more mobs can dps you too.

There's opportunity cost to burning down a mob quicker than spending time canni/dancing.

If you are trying to maximise your effiency and killing as many mobs as possible in a given time, then you are doing dps with melee, pet and usually 1 DoT to outdamage pet. You will finish a low health mob with melee and pet.

If you are insisting on Rotting, even the lowest level pet will finish unslowed blue mobs at sub-DoT levels of health.

You can only ever get higher efficiency using a JBB between L45 and L53 and that is ONLY if you never get interrupts, never get root breaks. Because of this, you'll almost always still be better Rotting or Meleeing even in the theoretical golden zone for a JBB.

Also, and crucially for your second point, at 26.3dps *max*, using a JBB for your damage is the SLOWEST way to kill a mob you have available. It puts you at most risk for the most time of taking additional damage from the mob.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the big myth about the JBB and why people think its useful.

The problem is that its just not true. Using a JBB costs mana.

You are not medding, you are not cannibalising. You lose mana every time you click a JBB. The opportunity cost for a Canni-dancing L53 Shaman for every JBB cast is 150 mana**. That's a LOT of mana for 253 damage.

** technically you should adjust this for the cost of maintaining Chloroplast but you get the idea.

Myth? Well you are welcome to your opinion, but I used it extensively and found the JBB very useful.

I might have given the guy too much info, but wanted to explain how I found it to be quite beneficial.

The nuke hits fairly hard, and as I said I solo'd with it and found it extremely useful.

I even solo'd the paladin guards in Felwithe, always keeping my mana high by mixing the JBB in once my pet got them down to 90% hps and held aggro.

I think he could buy it, try it, and see if he thinks it's useful or not. He can easily resell it if he doesn't like it.

There's a reason why people mention the JBB and the fact the Iksar race can't use it, and that's because it is a fairly decent item that at the very least can help you level.

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Myth? Well you are welcome to your opinion, but I used it extensively and found the JBB very useful.

I might have given the guy too much info, but wanted to explain how I found it to be quite beneficial.

The nuke hits fairly hard, and as I said I solo'd with it and found it extremely useful.

I even solo'd the paladin guards in Felwithe, always keeping my mana high by mixing the JBB in once my pet got them down to 90% hps and held aggro.

I think he could buy it, try it, and see if he thinks it's useful or not. He can easily resell it if he doesn't like it.

There's a reason why people mention the JBB and the fact the Iksar race can't use it, and that's because it is a fairly decent item that at the very least can help you level.

It is a FACT that the JBB costs mana to use - around 150 mana per cast at Level 53. That's not an opinion. The nuke does not "hit hard". It does 26.3dps maximum in ideal circumstances which is not hard. You can melee 25dps with a decent 2h weapon AND cannibalise recovering mana between swings.

You can solo whatever you want, with whatever you want. If you are doing things with a JBB you are SLOWER than any other Shaman tactic and more INEFFICIENT than any other Shaman tactic. Again, this isn't opinion. It is a demonstrable, empirical fact.

Telling anyone to buy a JBB is bad advice. It will cost you time to buy it, probably much more time to sell it (cos there's lots of sellers and not many buying) and likely end up with a cash loss on the transaction. Or WORSE, the poor guy might keep using it and kill his efficiency making EVERYTHING he does take longer.

[Polixa]

Thanks everyone - I confess I hadn't even considered that I could just resell the JBB later with hopefully not too much of a loss on the deal. Seems obvious now!

Cheers

[Troxx]

I never had a JBB and I don't regret it.

I might have leveled faster with it but I enjoyed playing the role and doing the jobs the shaman brings to the table duo/trio/group.

Fungi will help you be a better shaman - so I would recommend you go that route. If you don't already have one - I'd invest the money you do have on an iksar regen bp and resell that later to help finance your fungi. Even the illy regen bp is a game changer.

[Gumbo]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd invest the money you do have on an iksar regen bp and resell that later to help finance your fungi. Even the illy regen bp is a game changer.

Funny thing about the Ceremonial Iksar Chestplate is the mob that drops the item looks to be easier to kill with less HP than it's PHs.

[jakerees]

Lol. You have almost 14k and want to save up 25k more for a fungi. You think you can get a fungi for 39k? Schnik will not allow that to pass.

[Troxx]

PS: if you really do want to buy one, I'm pretty sure I actually have one on my shaman that I never use (used). I'd have to double check - but if so hit me up.

PPS: I still recommend you go the regen route (Ikky and then Fungi) rather than buy the JBB.