Is the fun slippping away?

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely disagree. You must have played on the same server as rogean and friends if your classic experience on live was anything like it is here. I can't believe some of the crap people pull here and then try to argue that it was "fair" or "not against the rules". Rules are great, and necessary, but there is also something to be said for just being a decent and nice person. Seemed to be a lot more decent and nice people on live back in 1999 then there are here.

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic. When I replied with yes, I was invited along on another guilds raid JUST so that the tear would go to someone who needed it if it dropped. As there shamans online all had it already apparently. There was no thought of saving it to sell as an MQ. Just /who all shaman 50-60, and invites to the raid as a tag along.

Has this ever happened on p99? Or anything like it? Because it has not, to my knowledge. And ya, there are the rogue nice people that drop fungus on lvl 6 monks and 30k pp deposits into a lowbies coffers. But I, personally, have never heard of a guild playing nice on this sort of level, on this server. I mean come on..... We can't even set up a fair, and simple mob rotation system?!? Instead we're really just gonna poopsock and argue wether or not ogre body blockers are legal in foot races? Or wether or not class A is allowed to use ability Y because the person playing class B doesn't have ability Y and there foot racing to a dragon?!? The variance between class abilities is one of the many things that makes this game wonderful. When certain abilities and spells are being lawyered out of end game content, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CLASSIC EQ. Never in my life on live did I see a gm tell a player they were not allowed to use an ability or spell they had at there disposal, UNLESS said player was intentionally glitching the game. But telling a mate they can't coth, or a Druid that they can't use spirit of cheetah or a bard that they can't pull with lull resists through walls..... never happened in my experience. (These aren't necessarily against the rules in all raid zones, but I've seen enough arguing back and forth about the use of tactics like this that it makes me sad.) And it most likely didn't happen because people would recognize there OWN behavior as being not cool, or unfair, and stop themselves. Not push it and push it and then argue that it's ok and fair once they've been found out. Or it didn't matter because it wasn't an advantage as NO ONE foot raced to mobs, ever, in my experience on live. It was always clear to the mob, kill it where it spawns. No training the whole zone and picking the boss out of the train of 90 trash mobs. Stuff like this just didn't happen on my server, ever.


But then again, I never heard of raid lawyering till I came here either. So maybe that was the norm on whatever server you and rogean were playing on. All I know is my classic end game experience from live was nothing like it is here, except the zones, the zones are pretty similar.

This actually is very well put, and accurate from my perspective. Just wish you paragraphed a bit more rofl. People will skip trying to read walls of text irregardless that it might be filled with bricks of truth and knowledge.

Anyway, I actually have been in a guild that had a tear drop, and instead of making it possible so that the shaman could get to it, the highest officer said it would take too long for the shaman to get there and so, they would loot it to MQ it. Others even offered to "sit" on it, if necessary. Nope. Loot it, and MQ it. That's what the officer dude said.

I understood then how it was in "casual to serious" raid guilds on P99. If you aint one of the officer/guild leader's butt muppets, you aint getting shit.

The level of greed in raid guilds is astouding on this server, and the ones who have the most control of the raiding scene are by far the greediest from what I have seen and experienced. I never seen it like this on any other game, either.

Maybe I just had bad experiences, or maybe I am just too idealistic? I don't know. All I do know is, when I dropped my toons out of the raid guilds, I found I had more energy to play again. When I was in two different raid guilds, both times I got to the point where I didn't even want to log my toons in that were guilded.

For some reason it seems when you reach that echelon of gaming on this server, the epeens are gigantic, and there is only so much room for epeens of that size. There are only so many pixels to be had and goddammit, those neckbeards with huge epeens need epics and the BiS gears on their 3rd and 4th alts.

Oh well. If you want to have fun raiding, I have no direction to point you. It's sad too, because it would be great to be able to see some of the highest end content on P99 without selling your entire soul or all of your dignity to do so.

[Oscillate]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely disagree. You must have played on the same server as rogean and friends if your classic experience on live was anything like it is here. I can't believe some of the crap people pull here and then try to argue that it was "fair" or "not against the rules". Rules are great, and necessary, but there is also something to be said for just being a decent and nice person. Seemed to be a lot more decent and nice people on live back in 1999 then there are here.

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic. When I replied with yes, I was invited along on another guilds raid JUST so that the tear would go to someone who needed it if it dropped. As there shamans online all had it already apparently. There was no thought of saving it to sell as an MQ. Just /who all shaman 50-60, and invites to the raid as a tag along.

Has this ever happened on p99? Or anything like it? Because it has not, to my knowledge. And ya, there are the rogue nice people that drop fungus on lvl 6 monks and 30k pp deposits into a lowbies coffers. But I, personally, have never heard of a guild playing nice on this sort of level, on this server. I mean come on..... We can't even set up a fair, and simple mob rotation system?!? Instead we're really just gonna poopsock and argue wether or not ogre body blockers are legal in foot races? Or wether or not class A is allowed to use ability Y because the person playing class B doesn't have ability Y and there foot racing to a dragon?!? The variance between class abilities is one of the many things that makes this game wonderful. When certain abilities and spells are being lawyered out of end game content, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CLASSIC EQ. Never in my life on live did I see a gm tell a player they were not allowed to use an ability or spell they had at there disposal, UNLESS said player was intentionally glitching the game. But telling a mate they can't coth, or a Druid that they can't use spirit of cheetah or a bard that they can't pull with lull resists through walls..... never happened in my experience. (These aren't necessarily against the rules in all raid zones, but I've seen enough arguing back and forth about the use of tactics like this that it makes me sad.) And it most likely didn't happen because people would recognize there OWN behavior as being not cool, or unfair, and stop themselves. Not push it and push it and then argue that it's ok and fair once they've been found out. Or it didn't matter because it wasn't an advantage as NO ONE foot raced to mobs, ever, in my experience on live. It was always clear to the mob, kill it where it spawns. No training the whole zone and picking the boss out of the train of 90 trash mobs. Stuff like this just didn't happen on my server, ever.


But then again, I never heard of raid lawyering till I came here either. So maybe that was the norm on whatever server you and rogean were playing on. All I know is my classic end game experience from live was nothing like it is here, except the zones, the zones are pretty similar.

This is so true. Sad, but true. I feel when I first started on P99, it wasn't as bad, but now, its just ppl racing around to get theirs, even if they need to walk over some others.

[renordw]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic.

I had very similar experiences to this. I think the greed is just over the top on this server.

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make all raid target loot bind on pickup / not MQáble.

Hear, hear.

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(according to sirkens stream, rogean, two guild masters, and a third party "raid lawyer" even had to meet in real life to settle a dispute once... that's insane..

Did someone literally hire a lawyer to settle something from P99? If that is the kind of people that play this server, then it makes me wonder if I even want to be here.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by renordw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did someone literally hire a lawyer to settle something from P99? If that is the kind of people that play this server, then it makes me wonder if I even want to be here.

From what I understood. It's a player that is very familiar with the end game raid scene and is working on his law degree (not so sure about law degree part).

This player hires himself out to raid guilds on the grounds that if he successfully argues there side and gets the offending guild raid banned than he gets one piece of loot (his pick) from any raid target that you down during the ban period. His logic being that if said guild hadn't been banned you wouldn't have necessarily gotten those targets or any of the loot from the them.

At least that's what he made it sound like. But during the stream rogean confirmed that he, this raid lawyer, and two guild leaders had all met up in real life at a Cheesecake Factory to hash out some raid dispute. I can't believe the GM's would rather do stuff like this then implement a rotation system....

[coki]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it true guild leaders are still boning lower ranked members to get more pixels?

yes...

[Lhancelot]

The question "is the fun slipping away?" is a question that has no true answer as it's 100% subjective.

You will get purely subjective opinions on how the game should be played, how long it should be played, and how you should act when you play the game by forumquesters and trolls that dwell in these parts.

You can't judge the happiness of the server by using the server forums as a measuring stick. You know this. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[indiscriminate_hater]

OP is right, blue is still way better than red and we should be grateful for that

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP is right, blue is still way better than red and we should be grateful for that

Actually, blue is way better than red 1-50... but red is way better than blue 51-60... if you can put up with all the BS getting to that point <big IF>

[Nilstoniakrath]

First off, let me say that this is hands down the best server of the bunch. Not trying to get points from the staff, just the facts. The dudes who run this deserve big props for all the sh!t they have to put up with.

As for the state of fun currently... up to mid-20's, lots of fun to be had. mid-20's to 50 or so can still be a lot of fun, but not quite as much. 51-60? Best if you put your goals off to the side, and be happy with incremental gains. Ignore the asshats, and skip raiding altogether, it is a complete waste of time, you just piss away some hours of your life, your bank account drops some plat, and probably lose a bit of xp too for nothing (unless you enjoy seeing a couple of kissups get some fat lootz, maybe, if your guild is good at lawyerquesting or gets lucky on FTE-ing that night). It is what it is.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Red_Messiah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While the forums aren't a true measure of the server's collective enjoyment, it seems like there is much less of a focus on the forums for...

• Leveling advice
• Light hearted in game stories
• Player run events
• Giveaways

...and more of an emphasis on:-

• Raid lawyering
• Detailed debate about the "rules" of a particular spawn
• Powerleveling
• Injustices against a player
• MQ'ing and the consequences on people trying to do rings/epics/etc

So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99? Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show? What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again? Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

It seems like it has always seemed to me. It was always pretty much like this, just with more or less people at any particular time.