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Old 09-02-2016, 11:26 AM
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Most OP class in the game? When did we start talking about enchanters and shamans? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:46 AM
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I wish I had some clever reason why I typed mink in the threat title. Fat fingered phone press doesn't count.

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Old 09-02-2016, 12:25 PM
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I wish I had some clever reason why I typed mink in the threat title. Fat fingered phone press doesn't count.

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I dunno but I bet it has something to do with why you put it in the threat title.
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Old 09-02-2016, 01:14 PM
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Most OP class in the game? When did we start talking about enchanters and shamans? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Let me know when an enchanter or shaman solos ragefire. Sure, monks and warriors need strong item clickies and good gear to do it, but that isn't much different than the few hundred thousand plat in spells and gear shamans need to solo big mobs. Over all farming enchanters and shaman may be better, but I don't think either can compete with the high difficulty of mobs a monk or warrior can solo with the right set up.
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Old 09-02-2016, 01:49 PM
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Let me know when an enchanter or shaman solos ragefire. Sure, monks and warriors need strong item clickies and good gear to do it, but that isn't much different than the few hundred thousand plat in spells and gear shamans need to solo big mobs. Over all farming enchanters and shaman may be better, but I don't think either can compete with the high difficulty of mobs a monk or warrior can solo with the right set up.
Warriors and Monks are for sure amazing, but Ragefire is a terrible example. The vast majority of NPCs in EverQuest have neither 100% magic immunity nor Dragon Roar. Plus Hokushin and Detoxx are probably the two best geared melees on the server; you can't seriously compare buying torpor, malo, and canni IV to multiple Vulak/AOW loots. And while I could probably do Ragefire on either my warrior or monk I'd rather bring one of my shaman/cleric pals than burn 10K in clickies.
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Old 09-02-2016, 02:43 PM
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Warriors and Monks are for sure amazing, but Ragefire is a terrible example. The vast majority of NPCs in EverQuest have neither 100% magic immunity nor Dragon Roar. Plus Hokushin and Detoxx are probably the two best geared melees on the server; you can't seriously compare buying torpor, malo, and canni IV to multiple Vulak/AOW loots. And while I could probably do Ragefire on either my warrior or monk I'd rather bring one of my shaman/cleric pals than burn 10K in clickies.
I don't disagree that it is a bit of a ridiculous example, but it does highlight how monks and warriors can do a lot more than people assume with the right preparation. I mean, Svenn's use of puppet strings to solo Portector back in the day wasn't any less impressive because he used strong item clickies imo, but even with the clickies I doubt a shaman or ench would be able to solo RF.

My whole point was to refute the claims that a) monks are one trick ponies and b) monk aren't arguably the most overpowered class in the game. Obviously there are situations where shamans or enchanters are better, but there are also situations where monks are better. I mean, you could even make an argument thay bards are the most OP class because how fast they can level, but that is just one aspect of the game.

Like I said in previous posts, monks may be more straight forward than other classes, but their dmg output, avoidance and mitigation do imo make them arguably the most OP class right now.
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Old 09-02-2016, 05:34 PM
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Ya, monk can solo ragefire....

But can they camp A4 solo? Or casually take down WW dragons? :P Not typically without burning a bunch of money on wort potions at least.

Sure monks are strong.....nice mix of DPS and tanking potential (same with warrior). But level 60 sk are strong too.....or rogues....or rangers....or....lots of things.

Slightly more efficient DPS and FD isn't really game breaking. Team up with a healer or someone and the thing is going to die sooner or later no matter what you are.

Or for normal soloing (without burning potions), monks don't really outshine other classes at all. They have a very limited window of what they can hunt and run into a hard limit of their power potential.

Where as something like a ranger or sk can go far beyond that upper limit because of how different they are mechanically when using their abilities to do something other than tank and spank.

But that is more smaller group stuff. In a larger group yea monks fill a nice role....decent defensive and great offensive. So, the same group...one has a monk tanking, one has an SK tanking....I would rather take the SK.

The monk does add very slight increase to groups DPS....and can pull better....but the SK and Paladin adds ability to insta-taunt (which in a group at higher end, is prettyyy important). If it is ONLY about the DPS, then sure monks are nice....but, again, when taken in the context of the entire group, it is just a slight increase in the efficiency of stuff dying (though warriors and rogues keep up at level 60, with rangers just a little behind).

So, OP? Nope. They are decent. But things like shamans and any class that can charm just break the game higher end (would you rather have a monk DPSing? Or a charmed enchanter pet? quadding for 300? :P))
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Old 09-02-2016, 06:16 PM
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Enchanters and Shaman are great for stomping easy stuff. When the going gets tough, you need pure melee.
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Old 09-02-2016, 09:06 PM
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Warriors and Monks are for sure amazing, but Ragefire is a terrible example. The vast majority of NPCs in EverQuest have neither 100% magic immunity nor Dragon Roar. Plus Hokushin and Detoxx are probably the two best geared melees on the server; you can't seriously compare buying torpor, malo, and canni IV to multiple Vulak/AOW loots. And while I could probably do Ragefire on either my warrior or monk I'd rather bring one of my shaman/cleric pals than burn 10K in clickies.

You can definitely solo RF on your monk/warrior Raev. Would be easy and wouldn't come close to 10k of clickies. Not sure where soloing a lvl 54 mob became the standard for awesome melee...any melee can do it with preparation and clicks.
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