Project Vindicator

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Curious, which items?

I've generally found proc aggro to be surprisingly basic: stuns seem to be 500 no matter the duration, poison counters 650ish no matter the number of counters, ac debuffs 600ish no matter the amount, etc. Other non-aggroish debuffs seem to be 100 aggro per cast. ie. Malo, Dispel, Root, etc. It's almost disappointing how benign aggro generation through procs seems to be. I love the fact that theres a huge number of warrior weapon possibilities though.

Tserrina's Whip has two different aggro components to it (poison counter and a snare). Each proc generates roughly 1350 hate (I have tested this personally). I wanted to find out how that compared to other weapons threat generation but I need the excel sheet that has warriors dual wield % & double attack % factored in before I can figure out exactly how much threat it generates compared to other weapon combos. Basically I'm curious if the massive aggro generated from the proc beats out the threat generation of a faster mainhand weapon. I'm way too lazy to create this myself and I know Loraen has this file sitting on his computer already because he made a table for his original warrior guide.

[Raev]

It might be possible to paste this into Excel and make it a bit more readable, but:

Primary ID Secondary ID DPS MH/s Hate/s Rating
Upgraded Gaudralek, Sword of the Sky 68 65.29 63.95 85.61 75.12
Sceptre of Destruction 44 Sceptre of Destruction 44 56.40 53.56 92.96 73.97
Feverblade, Bane of the Shissar 19 Sword of the Shissar 54 52.80 50.70 89.04 70.39
Blade of Carnage 5 Blade of Strategy 6 56.50 52.76 86.09 70.36
Upgraded Palladius Axe of Slaughter 71 66.96 64.80 69.80 67.84
Willsapper 61 Blade of Strategy 6 52.42 49.52 84.52 67.74
Tserinna's Whip 91 Sword of the Shissar 54 38.32 37.61 95.95 66.96
Upgraded Jagged Blade of War 70 54.65 55.32 77.82 66.40
Ykeshan War Club 64 Ykeshan War Club 64 34.32 33.84 62.59 48.34

It tops the charts in pure hate (2nd column from right 95.95 vs 92.96 for double SoDs) but the overall rating (25% dps, 25% melee hate, 50% total hate) isn't quite as impressed. I suspect you might be disappointed in it after actual use; IMHO the worst case (no procs) is the most important which is why the overall rating gives points for melee hate. Still, it's a good find, and Poison based snare is legit. There could be some interesting strategies there.

[Nibblewitz]

Because no one is willing to let the tank naturally gain threat.

[Gain]

Has anyone parsed threat on Infestation?

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also 'Project Vindicator' just sounds fucking cool. Would be an awesome guild name IMO.

Its 10x better than < Monk Death Squad > [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll submit logs later from my most recent Vindi tank.

[Kelor]

How much do you think the actual iksar AC boost is at 60? i think around 35 - 45?.

[Jimjam]

What it is worth varies (varied) with level. On live worn AC is capped at 23 (level 1) to 239 (level 49) (shields count twice for worn AC in this formula). This hard cap is hidden from the inventory window so it can look like you are gaining more ac from worn items even though you aren't!

For iksar, their racial bonus is added after this hard cap, meaning level 1-49no amount of worn ac will catch you up with the mitigation of an iksar if he is also capped on worn ac.

The bonus starts at 10, then increases by 1 per level from level 11 to 35, capping at 35.

If P99 matches the live dev posted formula, then your thinking of 35 AC is spot on, Kelor.

source: http://everquest.fanra.info/wiki/Armor_Class

Another interesting note, is the devpost claims most NPCs don't exceed 600AC, with the exception of Plane of War NPCs which have a more 'player like' AC of 3000+.

[Tarskin]

I thought that there was also still uncertainty about how the Iksar racial thing actually works, e.g. while the UI adds it as a flat increase to AC it actually works more like avoidance (and is calculated post hard/soft caps).

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Tarskin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought that there was also still uncertainty about how the Iksar racial thing actually works, e.g. while the UI adds it as a flat increase to AC it actually works more like avoidance (and is calculated post hard/soft caps).

I believe before the AC system revamp around POP iksar ac might have actually been an avoidance, rather than mitigation boost. I have no source for that, and my memory is very sketchy. Perhaps p99 functions that way.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its 10x better than < Monk Death Squad > [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll submit logs later from my most recent Vindi tank.

Zing! Also, it would be really awesome if we could get a screenshot of exactly how to check the min/max hit rate in GamParse. I'll try to make that happen the next time Rustle does Vindi, but it's a little annoying because I can't run GamParse on Linux (though, I haven't tried since my last upgrade of wine).

And yes, the Iksar ac bonus is one of things that would be nice to test. I have no idea if it even works!