Game Mechanics: Worn haste bug

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by KorafRN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Switching <5848 Haste: %1% to 5848 Effect: Haste> must have had an effect other than just visual.

Let me put this another way.

If the haste from items was affecting cooldowns, it was not intended. Now that the haste on items is actually fixed, evidence should be gathered that item haste should affect cooldowns. That is how to proceed.

[getsome]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...05657276252990

From June 2003

[KorafRN]

"Haste will effect your BS timer. You can nearly halve the 8 second timer with a full gammut of haste buffs/items/songs." June 2003

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...05004039723761

I can't find anything within timeline, and it was pretty difficult to find much of anything discussing this. Hope these this quote and the previous one help.

Derp, same reference as getsomes

[Mud]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me put this another way.

If the haste from items was affecting cooldowns, it was not intended. Now that the haste on items is actually fixed, evidence should be gathered that item haste should affect cooldowns. That is how to proceed.

Nilbog, what are your thoughts on the links I posted at the bottom of the second page?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Mud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nilbog, what are your thoughts on the links I posted at the bottom of the second page?

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[Daldaen]

EQCleric 2001

Another tip when grouping with a Rogue is to call your stuns. This way they know that if the mob is facing them that they should hold off using evade and they also have time to move to the mobs back for their backstab. At higher levels 40+ I think you'll find that using stuns, so they can BS, will be more effective than tanking for them. My rogue is 42 with an ac of 750, with dodge and riposte I can tank better than a cleric near my level. BS refreshes every 10 secs with no haste, so a stun every 10 seconds is enough to get them all in.

Doesn't explicitly state that worn haste should drop it but... If any haste did in 2001 it's likely both varieties did.

[Mud]

Here are some post-patch tests I did. For tests 1-3 with Guard Heridion, I backstabbed from the front, which simply gives an additional normal swing and obv wouldn't state "You backstab..." Cooldown for the ability is the same regardless of front/back.

Based on these data, Ragebringer's worn effect haste does not appear to have an affect on backstab cooldown, while worn non-effect haste (Renard's Belt is 41%) and spell haste do. This doesn't answer what is classic or not, but rather demonstrates how things currently are.

Average backstab cooldowns (numbers 1-3 are without buffs)
1. Ragebringer and Renard's Belt not equipped: 10.22 seconds
2. Ragebringer equipped, Renard's Belt not equipped: 10.25 seconds
3. Ragebringer and Renard's Belt equipped: 7.32 seconds
4. Ragebringer and Renard's Belt equipped plus Visions of Grandeur: 5.25 seconds

1. Ragebringer and Renard's Belt not equipped: 10.22 seconds (184/18 = 10.22)
[tue may 03 18:45:02 2016] You backstab Guard Heridion for 159 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:45:12 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 36 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:45:22 2016] You try to pierce Guard Heridion, but miss!
[tue may 03 18:45:32 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 37 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:45:43 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 33 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:45:53 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 29 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:46:03 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 33 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:46:13 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 32 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:46:23 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 18 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:46:34 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 19 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:46:44 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 33 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:46:54 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 47 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:47:05 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 28 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:47:15 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 28 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:47:25 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 37 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:47:35 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 29 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:47:46 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 53 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:47:56 2016] You try to pierce Guard Heridion, but miss!
[tue may 03 18:48:06 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 32 points of damage.

2. Ragebringer equipped, Renard's Belt not equipped: 10.25 seconds (123/12 = 10.25)
[tue may 03 18:48:18 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 88 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:48:29 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:48:39 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:48:49 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 46 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:48:59 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 60 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:49:10 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 89 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:49:20 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 51 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:49:30 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 23 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:49:40 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 67 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:49:50 2016] You try to pierce Guard Heridion, but miss!
[tue may 03 18:50:01 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 73 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:50:11 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 78 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:50:21 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 50 points of damage.

3. Ragebringer and Renard's Belt equipped: 7.32 seconds (161/22 = 7.32)
[tue may 03 18:51:45 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:51:53 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 42 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:00 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 63 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:07 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:15 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 82 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:22 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 86 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:29 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 44 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:37 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:44 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 54 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:51 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 52 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:52:59 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:53:06 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:53:13 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 89 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:53:21 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 49 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:53:28 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 45 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:53:35 2016] You try to pierce Guard Heridion, but Guard Heridion dodges!
[tue may 03 18:53:43 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 78 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:53:50 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 42 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:53:57 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:54:05 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:54:12 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 41 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:54:19 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 52 points of damage.
[tue may 03 18:54:26 2016] You pierce Guard Heridion for 49 points of damage.

4. Ragebringer and Renard's Belt equipped plus Visions of Grandeur: 5.25 seconds (63/12 = 5.25 )
[Sun May 01 20:02:43 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 120 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:02:48 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 299 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:02:53 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 235 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:02:59 2016] You try to backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar, but miss!
[Sun May 01 20:02:59 2016] You try to backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar, but miss!
[Sun May 01 20:03:04 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 120 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:03:09 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 120 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:03:14 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 120 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:03:19 2016] You try to backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar, but miss!
[Sun May 01 20:03:25 2016] You try to backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar, but miss!
[Sun May 01 20:03:25 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 120 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:03:30 2016] You try to backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar, but miss!
[Sun May 01 20:03:35 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 120 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:03:41 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 120 points of damage.
[Sun May 01 20:03:46 2016] You backstab an ancient tigerclaw racnar for 203 points of damage.

[Erati]

Seems like a oversight error - Epic haste effects should be affecting cool downs just like the other haste items, but just because they are not named "haste" they seem to be ignoring the mechanic.

[Erati]

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[Mud]

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