Screen Sharing & the High End Raid Scene

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why dont you gather your monks and rogues in tov one night this week and race each other to random locations in ntov. Feel free to get back to us with your results.

Also realize that our reach isn't going to diminish in any specific area if uncapped races are the norm. We're simply going to establish conventions with awakened for whatever targets we are jointly pursuing and sink all of our spare resources into unregulated races. Youre best option is to compete with us on equal footing on a target by target basis, leaving us unrestricted is a mistake.

So Aftermath's stance is "do it our way, or we effectively lock the server down on a two-guild cycle again"?

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Aftermath's stance is "do it our way, or we effectively lock the server down on a two-guild cycle again"?

Aftermath's stance in the first piece is a suggestion for all guilds to go out and do these things they are suggesting and then come back and reapproach their stance from a position of experience.

Aftermath's stance in the second piece is, work with us to level the playing field on a target by target basis or leave the game wide open for us to eek out whatever advantage we can to win. We track 16 hour windows to kill mobs, we do not track them bc waiting around is enjoyable. Nowhere have I said "do it our way", at every turn I've attempted to have you work with us. Stop refusing to work with us, I will make your life on this server in this raid scene both easier and better. What do you have to lose...

[Daldaen]

Unbrella's view is his own.

It's not cheating unless it's ruled as cheating by the rule makers is what most individuals at the high end follow.

Once a ruling comes down most everyone follows that ruling. A problem with a lot of our rules as I stated over and over is they are vague. Another problem also happens to be that they aren't all stated together.

For example, I know that this server has a 2 player near a mob as trackers rule. In the raid rules the only mention of this is about tracker FTE not about a limit of players nearby a mob when it spawns. Of course we follow this rule because we know it's a rule. However I could certainly see a new guild glossing over the 2 trackers aspect instead focusing on the "you may not get FTE with trackers" intent of that rule.

Another example would be some specific zone rules. Like Venril Sathir is not allowed to be pulled out of his area because KC is one of the most popular dungeons and there are always 2-3 full groups going at all times that get wrecked nearly immediately by a train leaving no time to move or relocate during a guilds pull. Yet that's not stated anywhere specifically. In fact I don't even think I was raiding when that ruling came down.

Citing Amelinda as banning the Eye thing is yet another example of this. I don't doubt chest but pointing out that a Guide RMT banned several years ago banned a certain practice is fine, but how is everyone supposed to be aware of this, especially newer people to the raid scene or server in general.

The Skype thing I think is the absolute most nerdy approach possible, but I can't think of any way this could be moderated by the staff.

[Pan]

Yep. "Sirken said on his stream that..." (for example) is just plain tough.

There needs to be a clear canon. And, further, as different stuff is ruled on (in a thread or on the stream, or as part of a ruling on a petition, or wherever), it needs to be added to the canon so it's available to all.

Speaking of which, we're waiting on the "we're gonna be racing in Kael for a while" official pronouncement.