Rogues, Mrylokar Dagger/Vyemm's Fang/Claw of Lightning + epic

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by grannock [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why isnt the vulak dagger a better version, every other item in the game is the later versions?

This isn't true, there are other items in the game currently that aren't upgraded yet.

It's just natural, the dev's are dealing with hundreds of items, a lot of which were changed at various points in Velious. They missed some items but that's understandable.

[syztem]

I am guessing what he meant is, its the end game content bis weapon for a class. It is super hard to overlook, or not receive feedback about. But im sure they already know, probably just doing one giant patch all at once.

[Freakish]

There was a post by Nilbog somewhere stating that if there is a timeline including what items got upgraded in what patch it could be fixed. The problem is that a lot of items got updated and were not included in patch notes so it's a lot of research checking every item that received an update and when since it was not all in a single patch.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not exactly.

What needs to happen for this is a compilation of what items changed, when, and how.

It's not exactly a difficult task, but it is certainly time consuming. We opted to not hold back Velious release simply for timelining items.

That being said, I would like all the items to be corrected at some point, but due to the amount of research necessary, it should probably be a community effort.



This is one of the only items I changed, as an example to the other developers how the timeline changes function.

For example, Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood will exist until ~June2001, at which time it dynamically becomes Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance.

Currently the plan is to skip over Zepheria's Dagger of Blood that replaced Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood from June 2001-October 2001, when Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance came out. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also looks like Feast of Blood changed quite a bit over time.
Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood should have a 100pt lifetap proc.
Zeriphra's Dagger of Blood should be a 25pt lifetap proc.
Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance should be a 3 tick - 30hp/tick lifetap dot.

[JurisDictum]

There seem to be some obvious non-classic things going on with rogue dps. The Myrokar dagger shouldn't be backstabbing as hard as the epic, and there were no +%backstab mods until Luclin.

[Akashx]

Mostly main handing Mrylokar's Dagger+Offhand Vyemm's Fang. Have primal spear.

This is an aoe avoiding fight.
Zlexak in 343s, 21k @61dps --- Akashx 21k @61dps

This is the latest straight up fight i can find.
Lendiniara the Keeper in 287s, 30k @104dps --- Akashx 30k @104dps

Some fights are better some are worse because of rng primal proc and rng in general. Also the availability of bards and rangers.

[syztem]

mm interesting to see, how true do you find yourself backstabbing like a 15dmg weapon mh if at all? With vyemm fang in MH, after a couple bosses vs old parses with epic mh I can get a good idea of my average backstab damage via parsing. For kunark content Vyemm fang still seems to be the best for me atm.

In velious content it seems to pay off the most especially on high AC mobs where you usually hit min backstabs 120 120 and the offhands 15dmg can easily make up for some high hits while fangs mh speed and primary bonus dmg hits fairly hard. If i duelisted a kunark boss/dragon I can regularly see 100-120 pierce spam from fang and up to around 150-160 or so from epic.

Still considering deadeye, by everything I remember on live it should be the best disc to jump to in velious for guaranteed hits + x3 backstab lands but I haven't seen much mention of this, still people going for burst dmg on high hp and or ac targets.

[Endonde]

Unfortunately to figure out which is better would take a significant amount of testing that i'm really not willing to do at the moment.

My gut feeling is that Duelist would be better overall though. On the off chance you pop duelist and get a lot of Backstab misses obviously Deadeye would have been better but in my experience you're normally going to hit over 50% of your backstabs which would make Duelist the better option.


If you really want to test it though I'd suggest making a spreadsheet that tracks avg hit/miss, anything near 50% might support using Deadeye, but I feel like it's going to be more like 65% hit chance.

[Freakish]

Both are very short duration discs. Back in Kunark I experimented with both and I enjoyed deadeye for the guaranteed dps increase but all it takes is getting lucky on a dueling backstab for it to be better.

[Ele]

just imagine if you could proc primal pre-fight by hitting a corpse.