Dear Poncho

[iruinedyourday]

Tass is like 14 hours away from typing up his manifesto

[LostCause]

pras crushbone killers.

[Kergan]

I mean it's one thing if he trained the mobs on you, but if you expect some sort of impunity while quad kiting I'm not sure what to say. I think it's a completely legit strat to let the mobs kill you and try to pop in the last hit for an easy YT.

You need to broaden your sense of PVP combat I think. In your scenario (CCing clerics of a raid force while they fight a mob) that is in every sense players against other players. Using the environment - be it NPCs, terrain (dodging spells in water, LOS with buildings, etc) is not only allowed but pretty much required to be successful.

[Can't stop won't stop]

I was under the impression open world pvp and camp dispute was the appeal of EQ pvp

[Videri]

Oh. I meant: There is no rule saying "Once a player(s) engages a mob, they are not to be attacked until they have finished it."

[Kergan]

You're perfectly within the rules to engage someone who is fighting mob(s). An example of intentionally trying to cause exp loss is a monk training a bunch of mobs and feigning them on someone. There is simply no way to police (or desire from most people) intentional or unintentional exp loss when someone does something like root a quad/swarm kiter. If your intention was to YT them or exp loss them the initial steps would be identical regardless - you'd attempt to root/snare/mez them to prevent them from getting away.

Obviously you don't agree based on the snarky nature of your reply, but stop for a moment to think what kind of staff and time would be required to even begin to police what you're asking? That rule is in place to help deter it and punish it in the most egregious cases - such as dragging a bunch of kos guards to someones bind spot or training a raid.

[SamwiseRed]

I only attack players that are on mobs.

[SaucySam]

Yeah that was a bit snarky, mostly because it seems like a shitty deal for noobs and server health. But I appreciate the feedback because now I'm not pissed that I have to play by different rules then someone else. But honestly reading the pvp policy there you can see how I might think that that kind of play might get you banned. Now that I'm a little clearer on it, I won't feel like I'm playing a dirty game just to be competitive. Thanks!

[SaucySam]

I guess I should edit my top post now, but sorry Poncho, I was just pissed because I didn't understand how the rules were interpreted.

[Kergan]

People should just follow the spirit of the rules. It isn't like the people writing them have extensive legal backgrounds. In fact, you could pretty much just say follow the golden rule here and everyone will generally be happy.

In the case study you provided here, I'd say you got caught unprepared - surprised with no way to counter mez ready to go. Take the experience and learn from it. Don't make yourself an easy victim and you won't get victimized as often. PVP is about 50% gear, 40% preparation and 10% skill in EQ no matter what anybody says.