I have never played a Monk

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by snots [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, please stop misleading new monks with this erroneous information. I don't know why you think this is how it works, but it's not.

What you want to do is to Sneak as soon after you have FD-ed as possible, so as to reduce the amount of time you have to potentially waste to get a successful Sneak in. If you sneak right after you FD, FD will come off cooldown like a second before Sneak. And if Sneak doesn't come off cooldown in the next 1-3 second after FD came off cooldown, you know the Sneak was successful.

It does not matter when you sneak when FD/Sneak pulling with relation to how the mobs will path back.

(If you're of lower level, Maskedmelon, your mileage may vary with what you're seeing agro wise.)

EDIT: The only two things that matter (basically) are 1. Was the Sneak successful? and 2. Are any mobs facing you when you're standing up again? If the sneak is successful and in a pull of three mobs, two are pathing back, you can stand up and only the one mob facing you will come (provided the two that are pathing back are behind the one facing you of course). End result is a single pull, only you made it happen faster than if you were waiting for all mobs to path back and then start trying to get succesful sneaks in.

Snots, this is the way it works. Try it. I am not sure how it used to work or how it is supposed to work, only how it does work (on red, up through mid 50's) 100% of the time that sneak is successful. Just because you haven't noticed or don't understand a mechanic doesn't mean it works the way you think it does. If sneak is successful before the mobs begin to path back, they all leave at the same time and they will continue to leave at the same time on subsequent FDs. I'd encourage you to test it before arguing further ^^

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Snots, this is the way it works. Try it. I am not sure how it used to work or how it is supposed to work, only how it does work (on red, up through mid 50's) 100% of the time that sneak is successful. Just because you haven't noticed or don't understand a mechanic doesn't mean it works the way you think it does. If sneak is successful before the mobs begin to path back, they all leave at the same time and they will continue to leave at the same time on subsequent FDs. I'd encourage you to test it before arguing further ^^

This is NOT accurate info.

Also, I don't recommend making a FD macro that turns off auto attack. Train yourself to do it manually and it will go off instantly. The macro has a lag associated with it.

My tip is to make sure you aren't clicking skills. Bind everything to a key, even the sit/stand button. F for Feign Death, G for sit/stand and V for sneak works well for me. They are all right next to each other for easy access. I have kick bound to E.

[Man0warr]

As long as sneak is successful before you stand up (and the mobs aren't facing you obviously) it doesn't matter if you sneak before or after mobs turned around.

[Colgate 2.0]

make an iksar

feign death macros are subject to failure due to connection/server lag, don't use them

20 points into stamina on blue server, 20 points into dex on red server

[Colgate 2.0]

also i have no idea what this maskedmelon guy is talking about in regards to sneaking while feigning having any bearing on how/when mobs will turn around to path back

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmm, you certainly understand what I am saying. All I can suggest is that you keep at it. Now that you know what you are looking for, you are bound to notice it eventually. There is of course also the possibility that the mechanic somehow differs from red to blue, but that seems unlikely. I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly. I'd toy with it a bit.

If I am understanding you correctly, then you are absolutely incorrect in your understanding of how sneak pulling works, at least in regards to the mechanics on the blue server. I can't speak for red with experience.

You suggest that I'm bound to notice it eventually, and while you don't seem to realize it, this suggestion weakens your argument immensely. It suggests that you are only seeking evidence that supports your theory and ignoring any evidence that contradicts it. If what you claim is true, it would happen every time. I've split pulled with sneak more times than you have hair on your head, and the actual behavior of the mobs during these pulls contradicts your theory 99% of the time.

Originally Posted by Colgate 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also i have no idea what this maskedmelon guy is talking about in regards to sneaking while feigning having any bearing on how/when mobs will turn around to path back

I'm willing to bet that Colgate understands the mechanics on Red better than you do. Animals are pattern-seeking, and you have clearly identified a pattern that does not actually exist.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you haven't noticed or don't understand a mechanic doesn't mean it works the way you think it does.

You should really take your own advice here and make an honest attempt to disprove your own theory.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Colgate 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also i have no idea what this maskedmelon guy is talking about in regards to sneaking while feigning having any bearing on how/when mobs will turn around to path back

There was/is a bug where if you stood while sneaking (and all targets were facing away) that you would get an automatic memblur. If you wait to start sneaking until all the targets are facing away, then if it works you will get a memblur. So he has a rule that is sufficient, just not optimal.

FD splitting is really easy on this server. Tag, run away, FD, sneak, wait for all targets to turn around, stand up, target the closest one, tag again, infinite singles. Casters make it a *little* tricker but once you have enough cash to afford forged javelins then usually you can start working at a corner.

What is mildly challenging as a monk (especially after Haynar's standard no-evidence nerf to sneak) is getting the right mob out of the pack. HS south is a great playground there.

[Colgate]

yeah i'm aware that sneak memblurs everything, but the time at which you activate sneak has zero bearing on whether or not a mob is memblurred.. which i think is what he was trying to say?

unless you're trying to claim a failed sneak can memblur things depending on when you activate it? but that's not the case

there's a chance you will memblur a mob after feigning regardless of sneak or not, and that chance increases with multiple feigns against the same mob

usually after like 3 or 4 feigns it seems to be a guaranteed memblur, even if not sneaking

[Beinen]

It works like men blur because when you successfully sneak behind a target you're indifferent. When you sneak while feigning then it typically wipes aggro for you to stand up prematurely. I say prematurely because if you aren't sneak then you would gain aggro on all of the mobs. Im gonna find a link to a fellow p99 monk's YouTube video for reference.

[Beinen]

http://youtu.be/6qisp8-RWBc

Watch the whole video of course to support our friend on server, but starting at 3:45 he'll give you visual explanation of what were telling you and explain a few more mechanics.

Enjoy