I have never played a Monk

[JackFlash]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never liked macroing Feign Death, sometimes had weird lag. I have auto-attack set to Q so by habit I just click it off before hitting my FD button - didn't take long to get used to and its second nature now.

second that

[Beinen]

Originally Posted by JackFlash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

second that

Third that. I also don't need someone to press the clutch for me when I shift into first.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really not sure what effect you are claiming that sneaking while flopped has on a monk attempting to split with sneak pull. The best I can tell is that you are claiming that sneaking while flopped causes all mobs to path back to their spawn points simultaneously, and this is 100% false on the blue server. I've always know that this is not the case, and to be sure I confirmed it with my monk moments ago.

Can you clarify why you think it's a bad idea to sneak while flopped before all the mobs have begun to return to their spawn points? I did what you said and saw the same behavior that I've seen on the thousands of sneak pulls I've done.

Hmmm, you certainly understand what I am saying. All I can suggest is that you keep at it. Now that you know what you are looking for, you are bound to notice it eventually. There is of course also the possibility that the mechanic somehow differs from red to blue, but that seems unlikely. I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly. I'd toy with it a bit.

How about you respond to OP's question though ^^? you sound like you have a few monk hours under your belt and could provide some solid advice. The Info on the sneak pull range was handy (used that tonight ^^).

[Colgate 2.0]

make an iksar

feign death macros are subject to failure due to connection/server lag, don't use them

20 points into stamina on blue server, 20 points into dex on red server

[Colgate 2.0]

also i have no idea what this maskedmelon guy is talking about in regards to sneaking while feigning having any bearing on how/when mobs will turn around to path back

[Beinen]

It works like men blur because when you successfully sneak behind a target you're indifferent. When you sneak while feigning then it typically wipes aggro for you to stand up prematurely. I say prematurely because if you aren't sneak then you would gain aggro on all of the mobs. Im gonna find a link to a fellow p99 monk's YouTube video for reference.

[Beinen]

http://youtu.be/6qisp8-RWBc

Watch the whole video of course to support our friend on server, but starting at 3:45 he'll give you visual explanation of what were telling you and explain a few more mechanics.

Enjoy

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmm, you certainly understand what I am saying. All I can suggest is that you keep at it. Now that you know what you are looking for, you are bound to notice it eventually. There is of course also the possibility that the mechanic somehow differs from red to blue, but that seems unlikely. I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly. I'd toy with it a bit.

If I am understanding you correctly, then you are absolutely incorrect in your understanding of how sneak pulling works, at least in regards to the mechanics on the blue server. I can't speak for red with experience.

You suggest that I'm bound to notice it eventually, and while you don't seem to realize it, this suggestion weakens your argument immensely. It suggests that you are only seeking evidence that supports your theory and ignoring any evidence that contradicts it. If what you claim is true, it would happen every time. I've split pulled with sneak more times than you have hair on your head, and the actual behavior of the mobs during these pulls contradicts your theory 99% of the time.

Originally Posted by Colgate 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also i have no idea what this maskedmelon guy is talking about in regards to sneaking while feigning having any bearing on how/when mobs will turn around to path back

I'm willing to bet that Colgate understands the mechanics on Red better than you do. Animals are pattern-seeking, and you have clearly identified a pattern that does not actually exist.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you haven't noticed or don't understand a mechanic doesn't mean it works the way you think it does.

You should really take your own advice here and make an honest attempt to disprove your own theory.

[Colgate 2.0]

guy's video is incorrect in explaining how it works

the reason he got more adds is because mobs chain aggro'd from the one he threw a shuriken at

has nothing to do with whether they had reached their spawn point or if he took damage

if you sneak and stand up from a feign death while a mob has its back turned to you, it completely wipes you from its memory, unless you do something like that to mess up and re-aggro it

what he should have done is thrown a shuriken, waited to see what came, then feign again and go from there

red and blue have the exact same mechanics

[Beinen]

He did, he took damage from a damage shield to break sneak. The mob had already returned to, or near to his origin. Thus pulling adds.