When Velious drops how much goes away? - Page 2

Misek84 · #1 07-21-2015, 09:54 AM

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It will be a Cluster F..k and you know it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] All the top zones will be perma camped for months and will be a pissing contest on the Forums like it has always has.

Like all the dirt bags that have be chomping at the bit for the last month are just going to turn into Saints at the start. Yeah right. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Good luck even getting a few crumbs at the start.

Thats rather pessimistic. Granted there will be issues with some camps (holg beads come to mind) but i dont see the raid scene being so toxic in velious. The bs about kunark raiding was that it was so easy that kills came down to split second fte, petitionquest, and overall dickieness. The raid mechnics in velious change greatly and your main enemy isnt going to be who can fte first but if u and your guild can moblize and execute a kill. Since getting kills in velious doesnt come down to the actions of people in other guilds but the people in your own guild i dont see the same level of bs in velious.

Neno · #2 07-21-2015, 10:15 AM

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Thats rather pessimistic. Granted there will be issues with some camps (holg beads come to mind) but i dont see the raid scene being so toxic in velious. The bs about kunark raiding was that it was so easy that kills came down to split second fte, petitionquest, and overall dickieness. The raid mechnics in velious change greatly and your main enemy isnt going to be who can fte first but if u and your guild can moblize and execute a kill. Since getting kills in velious doesnt come down to the actions of people in other guilds but the people in your own guild i dont see the same level of bs in velious.

alot of guilds clearing content on beta that were waiting in the bread line for pixels. its gona end up being the same shit for most of the content.

dafier · #3 07-21-2015, 10:24 AM

Nothing wrong with FTE and FFA. Better bring your high nukers out or chanters to get that 'xp' message.

Guaranty it's going to be a DPS contest when it comes to mobs.

TarukShmaruk · #4 07-21-2015, 10:46 AM

Isn't that Z axis shit what got Conquest banned from live?

Man0warr · #5 07-21-2015, 10:52 AM

Guilds always exploited LoS for AEs on indoor Dragons, not new.

Using CotH and eyes to pull mobs like Zlandicar to the zone in sound like a no no though, and I've seen guilds doing that.

Daldaen · #6 07-21-2015, 11:12 AM

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Guilds always exploited LoS for AEs on indoor Dragons, not new.

Using CotH and eyes to pull mobs like Zlandicar to the zone in sound like a no no though, and I've seen guilds doing that.

Using LoS to block AEs is Clericing 101. In fact most casters hide behind walls and joust AEs. That's working as intended. However having the ability to melee the dragon, and still be able to block the AE because of a ledge or a wall is the problem. It's allowing players to entirely avoid fears and other AEs while continually attacking, which isn't really balanced at all. I'm pretty sure if you want to melee it you had to be in LoS.

Pulling Zlandicar to zone in is very bugged on this server due to the path he takes. However his faction is different from the snakes, rats and spiders in the zone, so should the pathing function properly, it would work the same but just take longer. As it is currently he just warps up through the floor to the entrance, which is clearly broken. Instead he should run through the rat tunnels up top.

A lot of crazy pulls can be done to get certain mobs to zone lines. I am guessing some of those will get whacked and we will be forced to fight them in their room like Venril Sathir.

Misek84 · #7 07-21-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guilds always exploited LoS for AEs on indoor Dragons, not new.

Using CotH and eyes to pull mobs like Zlandicar to the zone in sound like a no no though, and I've seen guilds doing that.

Yea i dont see pulling mobs to zone in like in vp working in velious. There will b groups all around the zones which you would train then resulting in gm shutting that strat down. What makes vp pulling to zone in work is the fact that mobs die really quick (thus not requiring the kiter to hold train for long), the faction set up in vp, and no groups past zone in. Thats all different in vel. Pulling to zone line might work for a few mobs like king tromex but we wont see that in tov i think. I think most mobs will require clearing to that mob. Whatever u pull u need to kill else u concede the mob. IG (for vox) are different from the mobs in tov. You cant just run past them and hope someone else handles them while u kill the named

Pint · #8 07-21-2015, 02:26 PM

hope its all FFA

slappytwotoes · #9 07-21-2015, 02:58 PM

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hope its all FFA

I hope its FFA with a daily bag limit for the first week. Gives guilds a chance to test themselves against the encounters without Rampage scooping up absolutely everything.

Daldaen · #10 07-21-2015, 11:16 AM

See I expect ToV to be the exception. Where pulls and trains are possibly to split mobs from their trash, I full expect people to try them. ToV is a zone where 0 people should be grouping, at most there will be a raid in EToV and a raid in WToV farming armor, and your trains shouldn't impact them especially if you're splitting out NToV Dragons.

However zones like Kael, DN, Velks, Skyshrine... You probably can't train around because they will be packed with groups.

But again, we will have to see how the pulling arms race escalates.