An open letter from <Forsaken>

[-Catherin-]

You had people within *your own guild* telling you guys you were making a really shady move. And you had people *within your own guild* gloating about it afterwards until the hammer came down.

Most of us didn't even need to bother say a word or even worry about it because we already knew how it was going to end up. This feels like an attempt to show what I believe to be fake shame to try and get a lesser sentence.

In the future consider your actions before you go and do something like this again and you won't have to make these fake apologies (fake imo.)

If you are truly a new entity with a new outlook on actually working together with everyone else then start to prove it. Considering your own history, I'll believe it when I see it. Words are completely empty until then.

[touchtonedialing]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As we considered ourselves a new entity, we simply thought we'd be a Class R guild to start, as that is what has been stated in the past. All new guilds are considered Class R. The fact that TMO is still a guild, and comprised of over 100 members still, can only prove further that we are two entirely different entities.

Same guild bank, DKP, leaders and 69 out of 74 Forsaken members from TMO but its a new entity? Really? Its a shockingly poor leadership decision and literally the first one you had to make.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by touchtonedialing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Same guild bank, DKP, leaders and 69 out of 74 Forsaken members from TMO but its a new entity? Really? Its a shockingly poor leadership decision and literally the first one you had to make.

For the record, the majority of the guild bank was abandoned, the recharge mule of TMO was left with TMO, the DKP was wiped clean for everyone, and only 2 previous officers from TMO are now offiers in Forsaken.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest, when <Foreceful Entry> formed, Shinko was the guild leader and a former officer of BDA. The membership was also 90%+ BDA members. Did you consider FE as BDA with a different name?

A more appropriate example would be Omni spinning off and waiting for their appropriate turn at loot.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 previous officers from TMO are now offiers in Forsaken.

That's more than what they claimed.

[Herp]

There's 2 blue TMO on at 4PM EST on a Friday to Forsaken's 19, stop trying to fool us with this "100 people still tagged TMO" nonsense. Seriously, know your audience. We aren't that stupid.

On top of that, how many members of Forsaken have mentioned on Twitch while streaming Teamspeak, or in tells with other guilds, or on your forums etc, that your plan was to go Class R for ~2 weeks, get locked out of everything while building your guild up a tad, then hop right back into Class C? Do we need to shove logs and links and screenshots in another thread again?

Next time heed the two dozen warnings your officers got ahead of time.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by touchtonedialing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Same guild bank, DKP, leaders and 69 out of 74 Forsaken members from TMO but its a new entity? Really? Its a shockingly poor leadership decision and literally the first one you had to make.

You have some very bad information.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Interesting. I thought it was a 0 DKP hard reset. I was wrong.

Guess I should have read it better. :|

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting. I thought it was a 0 DKP hard reset. I was wrong.

Guess I should have read it better. :|

There's a difference between a new DKP system and giving a signing bonus to members who joined me from TMO. The DKP system is entirely new.

[Kaezyr D`Shiv]

It looks like the leaked Forsaken guild forum posts just completely corroborate everything that OP said above.

It really is too bad that Forsaken is being vilified for trying to branch out and create a new environment free of the prior toxicity that contributed to and eventually left a legendary entity extremely damaged and licking its wounds.

Given that the raid rule 17 should have been more considered, and probably brought up to a GM regarding Forsaken's intentions.

It is my belief that the class system should mean nothing come velious. A lot has changed since it's inception.

Good luck this Winter everyone!

[Ella`Ella]

I'm just curious how a newly formed guild is considered Class-C when the guild they broke from still has it's existing guild leader, several of the officers and over 100 members.

Is it more offensive for Forsaken to compete in Class-R with obvious intentions to quickly progress to Class-C than two obvious Class-C capable guilds that remain in Class-R and cycle lockout timers between themselves?

Chest, when <Foreceful Entry> formed, Shinko was the guild leader and a former officer of BDA. The membership was also 90%+ BDA members. Did you consider FE as BDA with a different name?