Velzira Petition Clarification

[Widan]

No, you obviously did not, otherwise you could have left out names and combat logs, while you conveniently left out the part that he was at the camp before you. At least this post is a great example of the petitionquest this server has become so people know to avoid playing here.

[Grizzler]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I petitioned for a clarification to the rules. Period.

Not to stir the pot but, I can read this perfectly well..

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No they don't



You only have rights to the kill if you were there before the other player.

Your entire petition is based on incorrect assumptions because FTE is not how static spawns are contested.




Well, which one is it? You are contradicting yourself



You did not have kill rights if he was there first



It is a camp. See: how Tranix is still considered a camp and not FTE. Whether mobs with long spawn timers should or should not be considered campable is a different story, but as of now they are, so FTE is meaningless.

As far as I can tell from your post you tried to killsteal this guy by engaging first and then petitioned and got him suspended when you failed which is super scummy.

First of all I petitioned for rules clarification. Not for punishment.

Second I had both cases. Once I was there first and once I was not. I petitioned for clarification giving an example to either hear I was correct or I was not.

Third I read the rules wrong, in your opinion, which I could agree with. But please show me with a quote from PnP where it says a static mob is a camp as opposed to a mob with PH(s) such as AC which is FTE. That's what I wanted from my petition, clarification from staff. So that next time I had a camp I could tell other players who showed up and ignored or taunted me that I held the camp and they had to kill me to take the camp.

If that's a scummy move, so be it.

Lastly to bring up tranix as a camp is laughable. To think a group of 50 will not have it stolen by lvl 60? Nobody in their right mind, who has any recent experience with Tranix would honestly believe that. Maybe you are just saying those 60 who steal the mob should be petitioned?

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aren't fishbone earrings like 100pp? Is this how u spend ur time in elf sim?

Lol I thought the same shit.

[kildone]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aren't fishbone earrings like 100pp? Is this how u spend ur time in elf sim?

If people sell for 100 I would gladly buy two more. The cheapest I have seen is 1k and could only afford one.

I want to sit at Hadden, sow and skin low levels, and practice guitar. Seems like a good way to get items I want to use.

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you obviously did not, otherwise you could have left out names and combat logs, while you conveniently left out the part that he was at the camp before you. At least this post is a great example of the petitionquest this server has become so people know to avoid playing here.

Question Wondering how kill stealing fits in...
Question I had rights based on first to engage...

Example of FTE combat logs to have my questions fully understood.

I am saying nothing of the policy that seems to be to ban first and ask questions later. It seems to me that Velzira could have petitioned that he was there first and had ban removed. Then I would have been told this mob is a camp. Everyone is happy.

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to stir the pot but, I can read this perfectly well..

That's cool. Some people obviously can not. Hence the reason for my post.

[kildone]

Let me restate another way

My petition is a question of kill stealing based on FTE which is the opposite of a camp.
Sirken posted a report showing I was FTE.
Velzira was banned.

In what way does this demonstrate a rule that Hadden is a camp mob rather than FTE?

[Widan]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone, you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Here's a post about static mobs
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=13

Originally Posted by Derubael

That being said, you can camp pretty much anything on P99 as long as it's a static spawn.

Here's a post about non static mobs
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...58&postcount=5

Originally Posted by Ambrotos

If it moves in a open zone it's a fair game and not a camp.

Also there was this thread called Camps, Defined which got deleted I guess because they didn't want to have to define every camp in the game. They should probably bring something like this back though, because it clears up a lot of dumb rules lawyering.

http://web.archive.org/web/201309210...ead.php?t=2653

Originally Posted by Xzerion

2. Just because you know the timer a mob's spawn does NOT mean you are entitled to the camp. Examples include Ishva mal, Estrella, and Undertow. I have seen too many threads about ishva mal in particular where there is a person there at the camp and someone comes and either KS's the spawn or charms the mob to bring it somewhere else etc claiming it was theirs due to it being on timer. If you are trying to timer a spawn and you arrive and someone else is there, too bad, you should have been there earlier.

In all of this no one ever mentions FTE one time on static mobs. It is beyond me why you would think FTE would give you claim to any static mob in the game.

[Genedin]

I honestly don't think anyone cares or knows who you are man. Would just keep exping and making pals not worrying about airing of grievances around the r99 festivus pole you know?