Let's talk about natural progression here.

[harnold]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The staff have made decisions to protect the integrity of the game. They have embraced the well reasoned principles of simplicity and objectivity.

LOLed at this garbage

[w1zard]

This is why instance zones became the norm in modern MMORPGs.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

GMs please move this to rants and flames so we can dogpile this shit thread

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by harnold [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOLed at this garbage

Just because they may have strayed from the path does not mean they have embraced any other principle. Their reluctance to remedy the raid scene is a perfect example. They strayed from the path there and new problems crept from the field they'd thought they cleared. The night vision need attempt is another example. They tried to implement a classic mechanic, but the hack did not function the same on all machines and so it was rolled back. I know there are plenty more examples of where they have failed to implement classic features while straying to implement non-classic ones, bit that does not mean their objectives are any different or that they are cherry picking. It just means they are human.

[FadedVision]

Ok Ayn Rand, you can take your economics arguments back to your 401 theory class. I am here to have fun and enjoy the game, not argue Milton Friedman.

I will argue with the main point that you made, that if you have the money you should be able to buy what you want. Sure, non no drop items. That is a relevant point. Non-no drop items, such as epics. Which are made to bring guilds together and form a raid atmosphere that is the jest of a fun and enjoyable experience on the game. That is why epics exist and the idea that you can get one at level 1 is an exploit. You are not entitled to an epic, you pass a test. Just as you are not entitled to drive a car, you pass a test.

I am not singling the blame out at anyone. I am just trying to be constructive that a change in the MQ structure might be good for the server. Think of me as an opinionated beta tester stating my opinion. If you want to flame me, go for it. It doesn't mean my opinion isnt that of a large majority of the players and it should not be held in consideration.

[Thatt]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... It doesn't mean my opinion isnt that of a large majority of the players and it should not be held in consideration...

I wholeheartedly believe you're wasting your breath, tilting at windmills, but I wanted to add my voice.. I agree that mq's in their entirety should be taken out of the game.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a free server that is attempting to rebuild EQ as it existed. The length of the time line is due to the fact that this is a HOBBY to the devs spending their free time recreating EQ.

If you want natural progression, wait until all dev work is done and a fresh server gets launched.

Hate to burst your bubble about Nagafen/Vox, but in 2000/2001 uber guilds did level alts specifically to camp them.

Would you have everyone quit once they hit level 60 and killed each boss mob once? That way the next wave of players can experience the boss mob?

I recall Vox/Naggy being public raids on Tunare server. I've stopped believing that was much better than the L52 alt army crap of p99 and some classic servers after reflecting on it tho. The queue for frost/burned books for the Paladin epic was like 10 months long and you lost ground to others every time you missed a spawn. In that environment I never saw any point to even trying to get my epic on live. Here I camped the book of scale in EC and did the rest of the epic with the help of my guild.

On Tunare Ragefire was still near constantly camped long after the move to Skyfire, I remember helping random "good people" in non-raid guilds poopsock Rage during PoP era. There would always be a group capable of taking down Rage from some raid guild hanging about near his expected spawn time, but they usually would hold off if a mob of pubbies was actually there waiting for him to pop.

IOW, although p99 appears to have a higher density of poopsocking neckbeards than the live server I played on most, and there appears to be some additional toxicity due to the increased friction caused by all that additional poor hygiene jammed into the same sized space, it's actually not as different from live as the OP is making it out to be.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are not entitled to an epic, you pass a test. Just as you are not entitled to drive a car, you pass a test.

You don't get a car at the end of your driving test.

I am just trying to be constructive that a change in the MQ structure might be good for the server. Think of me as an opinionated beta tester stating my opinion.

Have you tried submitting a bug report?

This thread regarding required levels to quest epic quest items has been around since 2012 with no clear resolution, since you can MQ epics before level 50 on the live servers and EQMac, when it was still up.

Please feel free to add constructive evidence one way or the other.

[FadedVision]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't get a car at the end of your driving test.

Sometimes you do. Sometimes you get one before hand, you can't drive it until you meet the requirements though. That is the point that was lost, I think. Keep in mind, this is not an exact equivalent comparison. It is just the one that popped in my mind at the time I wrote the post and actually seems to be holding up fairly well.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes you do. Sometimes you get one before hand, you can't drive it until you meet the requirements though. That is the point that was lost, I think. Keep in mind, this is not an exact equivalent comparison. It is just the one that popped in my mind at the time I wrote the post and actually seems to be holding up fairly well.

You only get the car if someone MQs it to you.