Player Punishment discussion

[vouss]

You have no idea what you are talking about confetti, no guild has ever done what holocaust is doing.

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Cobretti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ravenous assholes

well, i'm aroused

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who cares really

its not like the server is competitive and that having people suspended matters at all in the big picture

A lot of people care. It is obvious you don't, but others do.

I'm sure there are people from Nihilum that care when their guild was disbanded and all their friends quit and then people like Sektors continue to play. I get that most people still around didn't like Nihilum but the fact is a portion of the player base did care and probably quit.

If a guild like Azrael was taken out and Lite got the cast/nizzar treatment because he RMTed to someone like Sektor I'm sure you and others from Azrael would care if you saw Sektors making purchases for 100k worth of gear a week later on a new toon. Most of the people that would care may quit and the ones left would probably bad mouth Azrael and join other guilds. When looking back people on the server would say who cares, that guild sucked anyways.

[fred schnarf]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since we seem to be on the wave of cleaning up Red's players names and server population is on an upswing and GMs seem to be trying to make red an all around better place and not just a place for griefers

Two things that have always bothered me about Player punishment is Due Process and Repeat offenders.

I dont get involved in a lot of punishment so I admit I have only heard 2nd hand accounts of punishment. I have never been suspended and currently unaware of anyone i know that is suspended. However It seems that Punishment is quick to be served and then questions are asked after. GMs are busy and I have heard it can be a process to clear your name after punishement was handed out

Player X did something and Player Z reports and paints a picture or presents truncated logs/fraps. Player X gets suspended with out even being questioned or to tell their story or present their logs/fraps.

Like i think it would go a long ways if GM ws like " Vanco there is a fraps of you training ereni over and over. It looks pretty damning but do you any of your own fraps before i suspend you.


Repeat offenders- its not a huge issue but its known that its pretty easy to break a rule, get suspended and just log on another character.

I compare it to driving a car. If you do someething to get your car/license suspended you cant just jump in your friends gremlin and drive it. ANd if you do and get caught you eat stiffer punishment.

I used to be a griefer on other servers and loved it but i found that i actally enjoy havng a bigger population and more people to play with than just me and my other scrum friends

Any thoughs, comments, questions.

yo dude how do matt damons nuts taste?

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by dontbanpls [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Strange that I always seem to get suspended on all of my accounts when others don't.

Back on topic I think that a big part of the reason that the community doesn't trust the staff is because they keep it all a mystery. The death touching at the fungi camp is a prime example of punishment being doled out without explanation to the community. You also have the other side of that, being that players get to spread rumors and change the story about why they get banned. Since the only persons willing to discuss it are the players they get to control the flow of information and the result is typically going to be that player contributing to distrust of the staff in the community.

good points made here..

[baalzy]

A decent number of free MUDs (Aardwolf being a great example) post exactly why someone was banned.

They're allowed to reroll on the server, but their main character and any other characters involved are banned as well as made public. There's a history too.

A Legends of Kesmai emulation server I used to play on back in the day also has an entire section devoted to Crime and Punishment (except bannable offenses were permabans with no chance to reroll).

OGame (a freemium browser based game) also publishes crimes and punishments.

It doesn't make much sense to me to not publicize this information. I feel like its an overall boon to the community to be regularly reminded that the staff are watching. Instead of what I understand red had been like for such a long time where everyone crapped on the rules because nobody was ever punished in any significant manner.

[Fame]

Dont even care about game just don't forum ban me again pls thx

[Sear]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My only problem with repeat offenders is like warn decay/playtime.

If you sperg out on dota you get some penalty box time, and then if you play enough you can come back and prove yourself as rehabilitated.

Here, you can be suspended a year ago over a minor offense, and have that hung over your head as a player who plays often and is an active part of the community.

The occasional yearly sperg out should be understood unless you're just being a firegiant to new players with no history.

You lost me when you cited DOTA as a positive example of player behavior.

I agree with the OP.

[lethdar]

Many years ago holo was 3 dark elf mages, now this. Much progress, such success.

[FoxxHound]

I agree with the getting rid of repeat offenders.
Also; 10/10 wood do Ereni