Best class to duo with Cleric?

[VincentVolaju]

Hey all thanks for the replies, I kind of figured Enchanter would be the best one all around however Ive got an Enchanter on Red and don't really have much desire to roll another one. The Mage sounded pretty nice and laid back, and I am actually considering that if I don't got a melee.

However like someone mentioned earlier, I am a bit established with $$$ on the server since I been here a while. Not super rich but Ive got a fungi, cof and random odds and ends, so I just figured it would make sense to make use out of those types of items, which is why I figured Warrior at first.

Main concern with the warrior though is there not being any snap aggro and tanking apparently is pretty difficult as a warrior because of it? I remember when grouping with warriors before, the rogue or someone would pull aggro and the warrior would just be yelling "stop attacking! give me a minute!!!" while praying to get a weapon proc lol. I suppose in a duo aggro wouldnt be much of an issue, however once we start grouping, wouldnt it be come a problem?

Also little side question, do warriors get much better in velious, or kind of stay the same?

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by VincentVolaju [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey all thanks for the replies, I kind of figured Enchanter would be the best one all around however Ive got an Enchanter on Red and don't really have much desire to roll another one. The Mage sounded pretty nice and laid back, and I am actually considering that if I don't got a melee.

However like someone mentioned earlier, I am a bit established with $$$ on the server since I been here a while. Not super rich but Ive got a fungi, cof and random odds and ends, so I just figured it would make sense to make use out of those types of items, which is why I figured Warrior at first.

Main concern with the warrior though is there not being any snap aggro and tanking apparently is pretty difficult as a warrior because of it? I remember when grouping with warriors before, the rogue or someone would pull aggro and the warrior would just be yelling "stop attacking! give me a minute!!!" while praying to get a weapon proc lol. I suppose in a duo aggro wouldnt be much of an issue, however once we start grouping, wouldnt it be come a problem?

Also little side question, do warriors get much better in velious, or kind of stay the same?

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[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by VincentVolaju [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey all thanks for the replies, I kind of figured Enchanter would be the best one all around however Ive got an Enchanter on Red and don't really have much desire to roll another one. The Mage sounded pretty nice and laid back, and I am actually considering that if I don't got a melee.

However like someone mentioned earlier, I am a bit established with $$$ on the server since I been here a while. Not super rich but Ive got a fungi, cof and random odds and ends, so I just figured it would make sense to make use out of those types of items, which is why I figured Warrior at first.

Main concern with the warrior though is there not being any snap aggro and tanking apparently is pretty difficult as a warrior because of it? I remember when grouping with warriors before, the rogue or someone would pull aggro and the warrior would just be yelling "stop attacking! give me a minute!!!" while praying to get a weapon proc lol. I suppose in a duo aggro wouldnt be much of an issue, however once we start grouping, wouldnt it be come a problem?

Also little side question, do warriors get much better in velious, or kind of stay the same?

A Warrior with Fungi and CoF isn't even going to need a Cleric until level 40 or so. Your Cleric friend will probably be bored stiff until then, and by the 40s and 50s the Cleric/Warrior duo really starts to lose effectiveness (higher mob HP) and you'll need to start forming groups anyway.

The Warrior is really solid come Velious, but that only matters if you intend to take him all the way to 60 and gear him up. It sounded like you just wanted a character to enjoy leveling with your friend, though, which changes the calculus a bit. If you aren't for sure going to beeline to 60, I think the Warrior loses a lot of appeal. Say you get bogged down in level 54 and start to get bored with the character. What can you do with a level 54 Warrior? Not a whole hell of a lot. How about a 54 Mage, though? Perfect to park at Seafuries or any number of money camps to jump on when you're bored, or use to PL friends with.

Basically, the Warrior really has nothing to offer except endgame raid tanking. If you aren't shooting for that, there's no point playing one since they aren't really good for much else.

[Raev]

If you want to get your lady off in a corner by yourselves, than as mentioned Enchanter is the best choice by a large margin. 2nd best is probably Mage, although that puts a lot more pressure on her to CC/root etc. If you wish to play a melee class, there is a reason everyone and their brother has a monk. With self haste and cheap weapons monks do far more damage than warriors.

That said, I feel like people answer the 'best duo' question far too narrowly. For example, ROG/CLR is a completely reasonable duo imo. Sure, you'll suck balls by yourselves. But you fill your friends list with all the good enchanters and bards and tanks you meet and go from there. Since Cleric is such a great group class, really anything would work if you are willing to put in a little time with /who.

P.S. IMO Vex Warriors are still the best group tanks. Unfortunately a) getting good gear is very difficult and b) people are completely unwilling to stop facerolling their keyboards in order to mitigate their mediocre threat. Enchanters need to blur or root, shamans need to either tank a bit or hold off on slow, etc. If you can get gear and train your groupmates adequately, Warriors provide the best dps (inb4 some moron talks about how tank DPS is pointless, a 6-man group with a well-geared warrior will do 10% more damage than one with a Paladin or SK) and also have discs for boss mobs.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. IMO Vex Warriors are still the best group tanks. Unfortunately a) getting good gear is very difficult and b) people are completely unwilling to stop facerolling their keyboards in order to mitigate their mediocre threat. Enchanters need to blur or root, shamans need to either tank a bit or hold off on slow, etc. If you can get gear and train your groupmates adequately, Warriors provide the best dps (inb4 some moron talks about how tank DPS is pointless, a 6-man group with a well-geared warrior will do 10% more damage than one with a Paladin or SK) and also have discs for boss mobs.

I'll disagree with you here, albeit whilst noting that "best" is subjective so a differing opinion isn't invalid or wrong. If you care solely about raw efficiency, don't bother with a traditional tank type at all and instead use a Monk as tank--you get the same unreliable threat generation as a Warrior but even better damage output. Optionally, get rid of melee entirely and just use all casters. I feel the entire point of having a tank in a typical group is to make the grouping experience as stable and easy as possible for everyone else--and at that, Warriors fail due to their wholly inadequate threat generation and lack of control. As such I don't blame folks for being hesitant to move away from easymode: Why do more work with more personal risk for only small gains? I consider that a false economy.

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If you want to push to level 60 I'd recommend a Halfling Warrior for the combined experience bonus and damage output. That will get you to 60 more quickly than any other melee+Cleric duo I can think of--even Monks come with a minimum 20% experience penalty. However the original poster said that's not his main priority.

If you don't care about leveling rate, and don't particularly care about level 60, then there's nothing wrong with the hybrids. You give up quite a bit of leveling efficiency and power but will probably have more fun on a per-hour basis. Rangers (along with Warriors) are a good choice because they have access to weapons that proc slow; a Ranger with a cheapy Swarmcaller tanking something that's 50% slowed will need less healing than a Paladin or Shadow Knight tanking an unslowed monster. Monks also rate well but he already said he isn't too inclined to make a Monk.

Of course the other potential problem here is the Cleric itself: Most folks find the class a bit boring. If this friend of yours isn't already familiar with EQ, do be sure to explain what the Cleric does for most of its life.

Danth

[Fasttimes]

Do bard and cleric just have bard kite and cleric finish the mobs with pbae and ride the gravy train.

[webrunner5]

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Do bard and cleric just have bard kite and cleric finish the mobs with pbae and ride the gravy train.

Good suggestion. That would be pretty quick leveling for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mistle]

Warrior is probably the second WORST option (after paladin) for duo. Almost everything would be better. Only thing warrior has going for it in a duo is the mana effectiveness of complete heal.

But if the eye is towards full groups later it would be fine, and no nonsense hybrid penalties either.

Still, the correct answer is enchanter.

[VincentVolaju]

Yeah not really leaning towards Warrior much anymore after reading most of the replies haha. Enchanter/Mage wouldn't be bad, but Id really prefer a melee class because I want to make use of a lot of the twink items I currently have like Fungi, CoF, HP items etc.

So if not warrior and not Int caster, then maybe an SK? Ranger perhaps?


Edit: Also wanted to add it will mostly be just a duo, though wouldn't mind getting in full groups from time to time when leveling in dungeons. Not really considering raiding / lvl 60 end game any time soon, at least not until a while after Velious is out. That's partly why I figured Warrior wasn't that great of an idea after, cause not really focusing on getting 60 asap, rather just casual duo leveling, and grouping sometimes.

[coki]

I want to make use of a lot of the twink items I currently have like Fungi, CoF, HP items etc

you have those items but don't know what are the best or better 2 classes to duo with ?