Can someone accurately explain GameGate in a sentence?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Misto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been reading different articles about GamerGate, and I am starting to think it isn't a real problem.

Just a bunch of women complaining that they are being portrayed as weak and helpless in video games.

But there are plenty of games which don't portray women that way.

So I am led to believe that this isn't a problem and just a form of extreme attention whoring for ugly women who can't be cam-girls.

You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.

This is also an inaccurate representation of GamerGate. GamerGate began with misogynistic criticism of female journalists, and is still very much the same thing - it's just escalated from criticism to harassment to rape and death threats. The media attention around this is specifically because of the criticism of female representation in games and the video games industry; and industry where women are systematically excluded, and portrayed as background decoration and as mere objects for violence and abuse.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The media attention around this is specifically because of the criticism of female representation in games and the video games industry; and industry where women are systematically excluded, and portrayed as background decoration and as mere objects for violence and abuse.

Serious question Paul: while you may disagree with the video game industry, why do you not consider this kind of thing free speech?

[Misto]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.

Wishing death on people you consider retarded and stupid has always been commonplace on the internet.

Feminists got trolled.

[paulgiamatti]

GamerGate is a perfect repository for the kind of misogyny demonstrated by the OP. That's all it is, really.

I say if it separates and provides an isolation chamber for misogynists that don't realize the objectification of women in video games is a real issue, then more power to it. I'd rather they be caught in their own idiotic feedback loop than attempt to spew their shit all over the rest of us.

[Misto]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GamerGate is a perfect repository for the kind of misogyny demonstrated by the OP. That's all it is, really.

I say if it separates and provides an isolation chamber for misogynists that don't realize the objectification of women in video games is a real issue, then more power to it. I'd rather they be caught in their own idiotic feedback loop than attempt to spew their shit all over the rest of us.

The fact that you think I am misogynist is hilarious.

And I'll leave it at that.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the objectification of women in video games is a real issue

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.

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[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.

that is fucking bullshit im sorry, let me answer your question... why is it an issue in video games?

Because it is an issue FOR HER so she talks about it.

you are not the sun and the stars, how you feel isnt how the world feels.

there are PLENTY of OTHER PEOPLE that take issue with the objectification of women in fashion magazines.

All women arnt the same, they can have interests in separate things.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that is fucking bullshit im sorry, let me answer your question... why is it an issue in video games?

Because it is an issue FOR HER so she talks about it.

you are not the sun and the stars, how you feel isnt how the world feels.

there are PLENTY of OTHER PEOPLE that take issue with the objectification of women in fashion magazines.

All women arnt the same, they can have interests in separate things.

But couldn't you just flip that around and apply it to hers and your point of view too? Doesn't this type of.logic basically make all points of view moot?