Can someone please explain raid drama...?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Rangerdown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are a dozen guilds stacked up all poopsocking the same dragon on a sunday night just trying to be the first to engage, and than bitching at each other that this is an invalid fte and soandso should be suspended and blah blah blah?

In part, for the same reasons as on live: because there is only X pieces of loot to go around and Y people who want them. Supply, demand, all that good stuff.

The server's age is a huge part of the issue also. Live servers had Kunark for what, six months? It's been closer to six years here. During that time on live a number of expansions came out, each with new content for raiders. Here, everyone is stuck doing the same thing because there is nothing else to do.

Originally Posted by Rangerdown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why have yous not worked out a guild rotation on this stuff?

Well, on live some servers did rotations and some didn't. This is a server that didn't. Again, it has to do with the massive pile up of raiders. Let's say there are ten guilds killing mob X for loot Y. X spawns once every two weeks, and drops a Y every other time, so basically the server gets 1 Y a month, 12 a year.

Now each of those guilds has five people who want a Y. Keep in mind that people play alts, so just because they got a Y in the past doesn't mean they don't want one now. So there's 50 people who want a Y, 12 Y's a year. If everyone joins a rotation then the last person in line gets their Y in just over 4 years from now. If no one new joins the server, and no one starts a new alt.

Do you want to be the guy waiting 4 years for a piece of virtual loot, or do you want some measure of your effort and "skill" to factor in to the equation? The current mess of a raid scene, as bad as it is, at least allows people some measure of control over their virtual fate, vs. getting in a line that you won't make it to the front of for years.

Plus if you think this is bad, you should have seen it before. One guild basically dominated the entire server, so most guilds have only just recently gotten their first chance at major raid targets.

Originally Posted by Rangerdown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not like any of the top guilds are going to be undergeared for vellious at this point, so whats the fuss all about? Do you enjoy poopsocking and rule lawyering? Why does it seem that all the raiders on blue are 12 years old? Why do GMs not just banish everyone who cant get along to red? :-P

The red banishment thing has been suggested many times, with no success [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. As for insulting your fellow players, at the end of the day they just want to play EverQuest, and raid targets/loot are a major part of EverQuest. You evidently want to play EverQuest too, right?

[Clark]

Pixelquesters gonna pixelquest.

[Tewaz]

Red is now filled with a bunch of neckbeards that don't raid anymore and only want to kill each other. Basically, it is set so new players have no way of getting into the game like they could through gearing up in Nihilum.

Your choices are grind to 60 while getting ganked and then have no guild to join on red or wait 4 years for one drop for your epic on blue.

Both shit options that need to be completely rethought by the staff like...

Blue needs 10 times as many pops.
Red needs most of its population perma banned.

[Aveenia]

I have got to stop coming here & reading these threads. I just started a month ago here & this sounds so depressing it makes me wonder why I'm playing at all if the server is this messed up.

I am going to be keep playing but this does sound awfully discouraging to me as a newish player here.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Aveenia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have got to stop coming here & reading these threads. I just started a month ago here & this sounds so depressing it makes me wonder why I'm playing at all if the server is this messed up.

I am going to be keep playing but this does sound awfully discouraging to me as a newish player here.

Don't get discouraged. There will always be a vocal minority who is unhappy no matter what - we could open a new server and tailor it just for them and they'd still find something to complain about.

That being said, the raid scene was completely dominated by 1 or 2 guilds for a very long time. If you weren't in those guilds you didn't see much content. Now that we have a tiered raid system, everyone sees content. Granted, in Class R you get far less mobs than the competitive class, but you also get to relax and kill your targets at your leisure.

Another important thing to remember is that Velious will have so many raid targets that everyone will get a chance to see content. The most "exclusive" content is still likely going to be killed by the "hardcore raiders", but that's the way it was for most servers on live as well. I don't think anyone rotated sleepers tomb, lol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's so many targets in Velious that if you aren't getting your fill, you're either lazy or greedy. Temple of Veeshan all by itself has more raid targets than all of classic and Kunark combined. So that will alleviate a lot of the "raid scene woes" we're experiencing now.

It's definitely better than it used to be, though - everyone can see Kunark and Old World content without having to join an FFA situation. I think that's something we've wanted for a long time, but were hoping it'd come along naturally without our intervention. Also,

Originally Posted by Thulack

Dev's, GM's here grew up on non rotation servers so they feel a rotation is a pussy way to go about playing EQ.

I think this gives a wildly inaccurate impression of the staff here. Sirken feels somewhat like this, but I know that for me personally I would rather be a "class r" guy than a "class c" guy. I just recognize that there's a need for both schools of thought, and that the people in "class c" are going to get more targets because they put more time/effort in. As long as everyone gets an opportunity to participate in content I'm happy, and that's what we have now.

tl;dr raid scene is doing fine, velious will make it much better

[gildor]

Originally Posted by Aveenia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have got to stop coming here & reading these threads. I just started a month ago here & this sounds so depressing it makes me wonder why I'm playing at all if the server is this messed up.

I am going to be keep playing but this does sound awfully discouraging to me as a newish player here.

I agree Aveenia..I just started last week, came to forums to read up and ask a few quesitons..and WOW drama..

I remember some drama on Cazic back in the day but I dont know if I want to go through the leveling process to get caught up in all that..hmm

[Rangerdown]

Originally Posted by gildor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree Aveenia..I just started last week, came to forums to read up and ask a few quesitons..and WOW drama..

I remember some drama on Cazic back in the day but I dont know if I want to go through the leveling process to get caught up in all that..hmm

You two should reroll on red with me. :-P

Blue needs the rathe travel agency. Till than id rather settle raid disputes with sword and spell.

[Aveenia]

Yeah I don't ever see myself in a 'C' guild. Too stressful, but I do hope to raid one day if not on Aveenia perhaps on a cleric I have yet to level. I am trying not to get discouraged, and as such I should stop reading threads like this, no matter how bored I am medding while I solo.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Aveenia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I don't ever see myself in a 'C' guild. Too stressful..

While I may do my best to recruit for red, I do play on both... and I hate the Class C raiding scene, always did. Happy to be "casual scum" by their standards.

If not for Class R I'd probably only have seen Hate/Fear/Sky on blue, and none of the rarer dragons [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Visual]

OP might want to look into one of the #gm command servers. You can summon items to your heart's content without all the pesky competition.