Class XP Penalties

[kaev]

The class XP penalties and the "punish the group" method of implementation became fairly widely known not too long after Kunark release, due to testing published online at 3rd party sites. I remember quite clearly the rapid decline in availability of pickup groups for my paladin and ranger characters at the time. People were quite irrational about it, gimping their groups to kill half as fast ("cleric oom, med break") rather than include a paladin or sk tank.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People were quite irrational about it

To an extent people still are here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I found switching from an iksar SK (now my tunnel mule) to a DE SK has helped me find groups more noticeably.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The class XP penalties and the "punish the group" method of implementation became fairly widely known not too long after Kunark release, due to testing published online at 3rd party sites. I remember quite clearly the rapid decline in availability of pickup groups for my paladin and ranger characters at the time. People were quite irrational about it, gimping their groups to kill half as fast ("cleric oom, med break") rather than include a paladin or sk tank.

And people knew something was up way before that. There are posts on the EverQuest newsgroup going back to before Kunark (at least August 1999) that explain the effects on groups. It was quite known.

People just weren't so concerned with efficiency back then. We were more interested in having a good time with anybody.

[Naprox]

The irrational part is that people think Velious will be released anytime in the foreseeable future.

What ever happened to enjoying the journey instead of racing to the finish line?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by bspa0700 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, class and racial xp penalties are classic ... Nobody was ever shunned from a group in classic because nobody knew the mechanic existed.

I bet few tanks were shunned from groups during Kunark because they tried to stack agility gear for leet-avoidance-ninja tanking either, because most people didn't know what a shitty idea it was at the time. But does that mean the staff should modify the code to make stacking agility a viable tanking method on p99? Of course not.

[Fiyero]

What I find interesting here (and something that never really dawned on my until recently either) is that Iksar Monks have a 44% penalty (worse than any hybrid except certain SK races), yet Iksar monks don't generally get shunned from groups.

Obviously that's due to the perception that they're more worth the penalty than a Paladin, Ranger, or SK, but still an interesting point.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Fiyero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I find interesting here (and something that never really dawned on my until recently either) is that Iksar Monks have a 44% penalty (worse than any hybrid except certain SK races), yet Iksar monks don't generally get shunned from groups.

Obviously that's due to the perception that they're more worth the penalty than a Paladin, Ranger, or SK, but still an interesting point.

In terms of a monk's group role (pulling etc), a ranger isn't a bad substitute at all.

There just needs to be more decent rangers around [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rattle Squirrell]

Since Kunark was released here.....and the class xp penalty and all that was known and bitched about on live.......

Wasn't Velious released much faster than it is being released here? I mean if it was a year or whatever after kunark that people stopped having ex ppenalty on live. and we have to wait 12 years for velious here.....

sux

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Rattle Squirrell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Velious released much faster than it is being released here? I mean if it was a year or whatever after kunark that people stopped having ex ppenalty on live. and we have to wait 12 years for velious here.....

sux

ooooh....

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[Rattle Squirrell]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ooooh....

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Just saying man. March 25, 2011 Kunark says it was released here?

Velious was released on live a little more than 6 months after Kunark. We have waited for over 3 years.

You want "classic" xp penalty? Than take it away. They didn't wait that long on live.