Quest Issue: shaman epic faction WTF???

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lets get this fixed. Is there anyone that believes that shamans ought to have to track down an enchanter at multiple points during this quest in order to get the damn mob charmed so that it will talk to them?

Might I direct you to the Paladin Fiery Avenger quest? It really wasn't that implausible of a notion. And you really only needed to track one down til you are out of apprehensively. Epic quests take collaboration and tea worked throughout their duration. Even with this restriction it is the easiest epic bar rogues. Atleast you can still finish it in your low 50s where's necros mages Druids warriors rangers wizards are in guilds that kill raid mobs every week and they still don't have their epic after many months of that because epic drops off raid bosses are rare.

It should be fixed, yes. But it really isn't that unreasonable of a bar to set to achieve an epic. You want unreasonable let's talk about the necro of Mage epics.

[mostbitter]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Might I direct you to the Paladin Fiery Avenger quest? It really wasn't that implausible of a notion. And you really only needed to track one down til you are out of apprehensively. Epic quests take collaboration and tea worked throughout their duration. Even with this restriction it is the easiest epic bar rogues. Atleast you can still finish it in your low 50s where's necros mages Druids warriors rangers wizards are in guilds that kill raid mobs every week and they still don't have their epic after many months of that because epic drops off raid bosses are rare.

It should be fixed, yes. But it really isn't that unreasonable of a bar to set to achieve an epic. You want unreasonable let's talk about the necro of Mage epics.

not the same situation, if the enc had to come charm something so you could use it and move it then it would be but as it stands now you need the enchanter to come charm the mob so you can repeat the step numerous times and maybe not even see a bump in faction

[Zaela]

not real evidence obviously -- and I don't know how you guys can remember so much about stuff you did ~13+ years ago -- but having done shammy epic during velious era when i was like 14, four things stand out in my memory:

1) rocking atari shield

2) swimming out into the middle of nowhere solo being fucking terrifying even doing the surface clipping thing. fuck big bodies of water during classic eq, seriously

3) leaving a laggy streak of purple particles from EJ through FoB after getting sow shoes

and 4) having to get an enc to charm a dog for me one (1) time to get the whole thing started

pretty sure i would have done all the steps in order without repeating anything, didn't know any better at the time

[Byrjun]

While we're talking about the Shaman epic... I have no hard evidence besides doing the quest 3 times on live.

I've never heard of anyone having to charm anything to do the quest. If you do the quest "normally" you should always have enough faction for each step. (This is as a shaman... are we talking about non-shaman faction? Because that was different and required some grinding)

The biggest inaccuracy with the epic here is how common the books are in CoM. No one ever used the CoM books to faction skip on live, yet everyone uses that method here. The drop rate on most of the books might be a bit right, but the Student's Log from the Spectral Courier was too rare for that to be an option. I personally spent about 16 hours camping that one book when I did my epic in Kunark. That was highly unusual, but the Courier still spawns way too often on P99. 1 spawn per 4 hours or so would be a start, instead of 1 spawn per 30-60 minutes as it is now.

The method that everyone used to faction skip on live was turning in Woe/Envy + Marr's Promise. I feel the faction you receive for this section of the quest is too low. It was 3-4 turn ins of Woe/Envy/Marr's Promise (including the gem turn in in EJ) to max faction on live.

Here's a non-classic comment about starting the epic:

Factioned it with an iksar monk, problaby 1 year to 2 years ago.

Did not take long at all this way. Curious how you managed to do it 10 times? unless you tested it with an enchanter. I had to use oen click from the orante velium pendant on the wolf, and one on Bondi in order to get the gem and get him to take it. After that I was able to get it without using any more clicks. I did use another click however when doing the turn in of the childs tear as otherwise a non-shaman will not have the faction.

Then there was a discussion about whether Sneak would have been enough... some people saying that an Indifferent faction about Sneak (0) is required... no conclusion was actually made though.

Here's a shaman factioning up by doing the first part of the quest:

First turn in to Bondl - indifferent to amiable (had already done up to Test of Patience)
Second - Amiable to Kindly
Third thru fourth - kindly to warmly
Fifth thru eighth - warmly to ally
Ninth thru 16th - ally, gave up and did Woe/Envy one time to max ally.

Probably would have been maybe four more times giving the gem to Bondl to max it out? Anyways I bound both shaman and druid at Bondl, ported to Buthcerblock, gated druid back as shaman ran to Peg Leg. Made a hotkey for the text so all I had to do was target and hit hotkey, bag the gem, and gate. Rinse, repeat.

I did the whole max ally faction with Peg Leg once before on a little shaman I started up on a new server once, as I was getting xp for the kills. This was a long time ago, many years, and I don't recall how many times it took, as I only did the hand in once per Peg Leg spawn for some silly reason, over a few day period.

[Daldaen]

With the new faction display on live, would it perhaps be worth it to turn in each piece and see how many faction points the turnins are.

I did Bondl on my 100 Druid and got +100 Truespirit. I could do the rest of the quest if it is information Nilbog would use to retune faction values.

[mostbitter]

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[Daldaen]

Reading my post again makes me hate autocorrect.

The faction on Bondl turn in may be low as well. Something to look at IMO.

[blondeattk]

Any way to stop the faction exploits of this epic?

may as well hand them out at lvl 50. REally devalues ye olde mystical toofpick.

Not that i intend to do mine, never liked the spear on live and cant get my head around that feeling.

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by blondeattk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any way to stop the faction exploits of this epic?

may as well hand them out at lvl 50. REally devalues ye olde mystical toofpick.

Not that i intend to do mine, never liked the spear on live and cant get my head around that feeling.

Not an exploit, just part of the game. Still able to do it on live.

[mostbitter]

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