I predict TMO and IB will merge

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Counterargument: server stability. It's much easier to maintain a reliable ch chain here than it was on live. If you can intentionally throw in some 4-5 sec lag spikes every 30 seconds or so, then it will be classic AoW.

I think we once joked around about making the npc randomly cause 3-5 people go LD during encounters to simulate how live was. When zones get around 100 people in there, it acts like live at least. I can only guess at how many people will be there just to try and swipe AoW if the guild that spawned him wipe. So I am sure that will act like live in a way making the zone unstable.

I know they were working on making zones more stable. No idea if they have reached that point if zones are still desync.

The amount of cleric bps will help a hell of a lot also. No knock on any guild, if they can kill AoW that way early on, then props to them.

[Gaffin 7.0]

zone was crashing like mad during the gm event in Lfay we last had lagging out etc

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Counterargument: server stability. It's much easier to maintain a reliable ch chain here than it was on live. If you can intentionally throw in some 4-5 sec lag spikes every 30 seconds or so, then it will be classic AoW.

this is primary reason why p99 is not classic, imo. the lag monster was the constant random spawn of every damn raid, every damn night.

AoW will be killed within a half hour of spawning on p99. Chanters might even chain dictate frozen jesus on the kill just for old time's sake, eh?

[Emsee]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people can kill him in beta with under 100 people, he isn't even close to being correct. It took an entire expansion to farm tov just to be geared enough for it.

Can take your pick on any of these or all.

A) Pet tanking doesn't work here
B) Lack of Flurries from AoW
C) Weapon damage from end of velious vs end of Kunark.
D) HPs and AC( right Loraen?) from items much lower on Kunark vs Velious end game items.

It took a certain amount of hp's on tanks to kill him, not people. I spent that expansion leading raids. Right now very well geared tanks are about what you would expect minimally to kill him, maybe a few hundred less, but, you expect people to play better in this age. I fully expect TMO to kill him, in his correct iteration.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people can kill him in beta with under 100 people, he isn't even close to being correct. It took an entire expansion to farm tov just to be geared enough for it.

Can take your pick on any of these or all.

A) Pet tanking doesn't work here
B) Lack of Flurries from AoW
C) Weapon damage from end of velious vs end of Kunark.
D) HPs and AC( right Loraen?) from items much lower on Kunark vs Velious end game items.

Lots of things happen different here than they did on live. Raid size and pre-knowledge makes it all easy. Being able to throw 15 tanks instead of struggling to find 7 is going to help. You only need so much HP for a minimum gear check maybe 2-3 bigger items per tank in the chain + some easy to fill hp items in formally weak hp slots.

AoW should die rather quickly if he is classically tuned.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lots of things happen different here than they did on live. Raid size and pre-knowledge makes it all easy. Being able to throw 15 tanks instead of struggling to find 7 is going to help. You only need so much HP for a minimum gear check maybe 2-3 bigger items per tank in the chain + some easy to fill hp items in formally weak hp slots.

AoW should die rather quickly if he is classically tuned.

We'll see. Think you are underestimating how much damage he does to 5k hp tanks

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lots of things happen different here than they did on live. Raid size and pre-knowledge makes it all easy. Being able to throw 15 tanks instead of struggling to find 7 is going to help. You only need so much HP for a minimum gear check maybe 2-3 bigger items per tank in the chain + some easy to fill hp items in formally weak hp slots.

AoW should die rather quickly if he is classically tuned.

You don't just throw tanks at him and hope to win...

You only need so much HP for a minimum gear check? What the fuck?

Is that why he wasn't killed until Luclin?

The gear check is pretty damn much everything from North ToV for tanks, not to mention having nearly all of your raid force equipped with Primals.

15 tanks with 5.5k hp would be a slaughter, 3 or 4 tanks with 7k hp and you might have a chance.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Timing has to be precise tank cant just run in after one dies and be like yeah start CH chain, tank will die before anyone even heals. Its a tricky fight and long as shit, 900k hp

[Zoesha]

Originally Posted by Artaenc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To kill AoW if the inactive people don't come back to play in Velious. What's your prediction?

TMO and IB will realize that rangers are useful in velious and similar to how we both leveled up countless Mages for CoTH. We will both make countless rangers for weapon shield disc for AoW.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Zoesha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO and IB will realize that rangers are useful in velious and similar to how we both leveled up countless Mages for CoTH. We will both make countless rangers for weapon shield disc for AoW.

Let's say each Ranger is worth 50 dps on the Avatar of War. With weaponshield lasting 18s, our N rangers will do (N + (N-1) + (N-2))* 50 * 18 damage total. If the Avatar of War has 900,000 HP, this equation can can be solved in a straightforward manner:

n(n+1) * 50 * 18 / 2 = 900,000
n(n+1) = 2000
n^2 + n - 2000 = 0

And because I'm too lazy to look up the quadratic formula, Wolfram Alpha is happy to tell me that 44.2 rangers can kill the Avatar of War (or -45.2 !).

It would be pretty awesome to try this with betabuff.