AOW + Defensive

[koros]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wat? Warriors using a shield for ridiculous damage bosses is classic as fuck... Shield AC is hot and extra ripostes from a second weapon is not.

You just had to control your aggro better as a DPS class.

Maybe the warriors you all rolled with were incompetent?

Christ. No. Warriors didn't use shields, they didn't do jack shit. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. If you care about ripostes THAT much you'd be better off with a 2 hander for better damage and less ripostes than a one hander.


Old 06-17-2004 #10
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The cap on AC in the Velious era wasn't a soft cap; it was a hard cap that had been there from day 1. After a certain point, which differed for each class, the benefit of more AC didn't just diminish - it dropped to nothing.

The change I referred to, just before PoP, changed that from a hard cap to a soft cap. You get a percentage of the amount over that soft cap. Shields increase both your total and your soft cap, making them more effective than any other item with equal AC. Your mitigation AAs, level, and class also affect the cap and the percentage return for AC over it.

Separate from this, there are diminishing returns if your AC is much greater than the NPC's attack. This is due to the nature of the formulas that produce the probability distributions that have been well documented on this board.

Does that help?

- Kavhok, SOE

[koros]

Sorry that was rude. I'm just frustrated by false information being disseminated which works antithetically to the goal of p99. People have pretty flawed memories about things 10+ years ago.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry that was rude. I'm just frustrated by false information being disseminated which works antithetically to the goal of p99. People have pretty flawed memories about things 10+ years ago.

You and me both, brother.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry that was rude.

Just go full nasty, it is best for everyone involved.

[Nirgon]

Yeah never saw a shield used by a warrior (classic thru Velious) raiding. You had to keep up the highest threat possible so the raid mob (like AoW) would be dead before the clerics went OOM.

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah never saw a shield used by a warrior (classic thru Velious) raiding. You had to keep up the highest threat possible so the raid mob (like AoW) would be dead before the clerics went OOM.

I remember warrior taunt working (without clicky items) in Velious and 5 warriors in a row with precise taunt timing a few seconds before their defensive drops and a minimum of 8 non fail CH clerics on a chain with a few patching clerics/druids. The CH chain would move to the next tank before the current tank dies. I helped set it up for TMO on the live servers.

I just hope AoW on this server don't become a loot vending machine because it wasn't on live.

Threat wasn't the issue at all and I think I have enough noodles left from my drinking over the years that I still remember.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Artaenc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember warrior taunt working (without clicky items) in Velious and 5 warriors in a row with precise taunt timing a few seconds before their defensive drops and a minimum of 8 non fail CH clerics on a chain with a few patching clerics/druids. The CH chain would move to the next tank before the current tank dies. I helped set it up for TMO on the live servers.

I just hope AoW on this server don't become a loot vending machine because it wasn't on live.

Threat wasn't the issue at all and I think I have enough noodles left from my drinking over the years that I still remember.

Your memory is wrong. Taunt cap in Velious was raised from 60 to 65 in a march 2001 patch. You could never taunt the AoW or most any raid mob (AoW was 70).

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your memory is wrong. Taunt cap in Velious was raised from 60 to 65 in a march 2001 patch. You could never taunt the AoW or most any raid mob (AoW was 70).

Not sure if this is how it was done but some posts suggest taunt+(or)proximity worked. Also on this post "AoW is pretty much 100% proximity agro, while idol is not." It looks like in 2003 it was possible to tank it with a single tank. This is 2003 so AE taunt was around I guess. Like I said, threat was not an issue even in the beginning.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...php/t-510.html

I was playing a cleric so I didn't have the exact details on the warrior side but I don't remember anyone ever having to ask if the warrior clicky agro item was charged for any of the Velious encounters.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Artaenc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if this is how it was done but some posts suggest taunt+(or)proximity worked. Also on this post "AoW is pretty much 100% proximity agro, while idol is not." It looks like in 2003 it was possible to tank it with a single tank. This is 2003 so AE taunt was around I guess. Like I said, threat was not an issue even in the beginning.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...php/t-510.html

I was playing a cleric so I didn't have the exact details on the warrior side but I don't remember anyone ever having to ask if the warrior clicky agro item was charged for any of the Velious encounters.

No one used clicky aggro in Velious, although it was possible. Aggro wasn't really an issue with SoDs/War epic and preaggroing while a WS ranger tanked.

[NotKringe]

Originally Posted by Artaenc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if this is how it was done but some posts suggest taunt+(or)proximity worked. Also on this post "AoW is pretty much 100% proximity agro, while idol is not." It looks like in 2003 it was possible to tank it with a single tank. This is 2003 so AE taunt was around I guess. Like I said, threat was not an issue even in the beginning.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...php/t-510.html

I was playing a cleric so I didn't have the exact details on the warrior side but I don't remember anyone ever having to ask if the warrior clicky agro item was charged for any of the Velious encounters.

When I was tanking it (being the MT on Rallos Zek for Ascending Dawn at the time) it was impossible to 1 man tank AoW. Even with end game Velious gear. We had a 3 tank rotation when AoW was first killed on Rallos Zek. Artaenc is correct when AoW is 100% proximity agro and Idol is not.