Bards - CHA and DEX

[Scikala]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol btw I'm pretty sure instrument skill level means absolutely nothing. Like 1 point in each instrument skill is the same as 235 in each.

I posted a link to a loong thread on TCH about missed notes.

If this is true I know way to many bards, myself included who AFK'd for hours on end to keep up anything we weren't using in kites. But from personal experience I dont believe it to be so. After kiting up to 46 and getting an invite to CoM, I missed notes about 15 times in a row on the mez because my wind skill wasn't leveled. Even when I did the AFK level on Invis song it took awhile to get it going.

Personally, as a class with no double attack and no real means of doing actual melee dmg...sort of in line with Faerie I go with HP/AC/Resist/Cha/Dex

I was always under the impression we got meh returns from Sta, so I never put it too high on my list.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Scikala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this is true I know way to many bards, myself included who AFK'd for hours on end to keep up anything we weren't using in kites. But from personal experience I dont believe it to be so. After kiting up to 46 and getting an invite to CoM, I missed notes about 15 times in a row on the mez because my wind skill wasn't leveled. Even when I did the AFK level on Invis song it took awhile to get it going.

Yeah. I'm hesitant to offer anecdotal evidence as solid proof of any game mechanics without numbers, but my experience was absolutely that when I would get new instrument skills (such as brass) higher-level songs using them would miss notes frequently, and as my skill leveled that frequency would go down. That's exactly how spell fizzles work, and I'd be absolutely amazed if this "instrument skill doesn't affect missed notes" theory turned out to be right. But, again, anecdotal evidence, no numbers, real possibility I'm talking out of my ass.

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Scikala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this is true I know way to many bards, myself included who AFK'd for hours on end to keep up anything we weren't using in kites. But from personal experience I dont believe it to be so. After kiting up to 46 and getting an invite to CoM, I missed notes about 15 times in a row on the mez because my wind skill wasn't leveled. Even when I did the AFK level on Invis song it took awhile to get it going.

Personally, as a class with no double attack and no real means of doing actual melee dmg...sort of in line with Faerie I go with HP/AC/Resist/Cha/Dex

I was always under the impression we got meh returns from Sta, so I never put it too high on my list.

I did the same thing on live and woke up to find myself pvp dead a couple times :P

But a bard friend I made on SZ swore up and down that instrument skills didn't do anything beyond 1 point. We did some (admittedly limited) testing and logged ourselves each doing x number of casts of Cantata of Replenishment; me with my maxed skills and him with his skills that were never purposefully increased. The results were enough to convince me that he was right. This was live though, and like PoP era or a bit later maybe.

The way bard songs were impacted in strange ways every other patch on live leads me to believe that much of this isn't as simple as we'd hope. Honestly I'm really impressed that the P99 staff got the bard class working so well here, but I'm willing to bet that much of the bard mechanics here are not classic.

To be clear, I don't play a bard here. I was a somewhat geeky numbers bard on live. Do your own research for P99 imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW I found old EZboard TCH:

http://pub5.ezboard.com/btheconcerthall.html

EDIT: It probably wasn't Cantata of Replenishment, but the PoP level one. Whatever that was called.

[Faerie]

My information is from serious research done by old school bards in old school EQ. Mostly from The Concert Hall. I tried to search for it, but the "Advanced search" button doesn't work on TCH anymore and basic searches seem to be limited to 20 results...

Maybe some other old bards could chime in with their research.

[Faerie]

Here's something (though there is no solid proof of anything):
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/c...00543975354570

[Kekephee]

I'd love to get some real and definitely applicable to this server, rather than live, numbers from anyone who has them. Cause if cha and dex don't affect mezzes or charms, I made the wrong move looting the blazing gaunts off ragefire and giving the guild back the gauntlets of fiery might I was using...

[Faerie]

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-2189.html

Some good info on druid/necro charm, and bard lull.

[Faerie]

Anyone know URL of old eqdiva forums? I never posted there because TCH was a better source of information, but my searches are telling me that the info I want was also posted on eqdiva.

Maybe can wayback and find...

[Faerie]

http://web.archive.org/web/200210161...p?Article=4451

Is Charisma actually taken into account on mesmerizations and charms?

Yes it is. It varies on a number of spells to its actual usefulness but it does have a use. There are different levels of charisma for different classes. The system does take into account that an Enchanter should have a higher charisma than say a Necromancer. It’s unfair to expect masters of the undead to be entirely charismatic.

So here the EQ devs admit that cha works differently for different classes.

[Faerie]

Grr this is frustrating.

http://web.archive.org/web/200402032...h/default.aspx

^Search function doesn't work [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://web.archive.org/web/200402131...rdsofeverquest

^Doesn't work on the older eqdiva, either.

http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/reply...Charm-duration

^TCH post on increasing bard charm duration.

http://theconcerthall.yuku.com/topic...-begone?page=1

^Long thread on missed notes and related stats.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...light=charisma

^Older P99 thread that doesn't give much (any) in the way of hard data.

Yeah, this is lame. I still say CHA comes after STA and HP (and resists for pvp or raid bards) on the usefulness scale, and I believe that if CHA is impacting mez resist rate here it's not classic. Can't seem to find the relevant information proving this, though. I really hope someone else comes in with good data to set things straight 'cause this is seriously bugging me.