Guild Drama Review - TMO's New Deal

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truth about the Nexona thing.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=143306

Our necro didn't train you. You still had no problem milking 8 free kills out of it. GMs didn't want to break a player agreement, and TMO were good sports to not break the agreement themselves.

I'd love to hear your excuse for 5 pullers being camped at Xygoz or for dottedup running right up to a wurm at zone in and walking it into our raid, those definitely seems like our fault.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to hear your excuse for 5 pullers being camped at Xygoz or for dottedup running right up to a wurm at zone in and walking it into our raid, those definitely seems like our fault.

Do you even read/lift?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=143306

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even read/lift?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=143306

Do you? Dotted up was involved in 2 of the 3 petitions.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you? Dotted up was involved in 2 of the 3 petitions.

Re-read your own post kiddo.

[quido]

I'd also like to address the Dottedup wurm at entrance since I figure IB people aren't getting the full story.

Dottedup desynced and trained a wurm to entrance and died. The wurm then attacked Rachel and did approximately 800 damage before a TMO necro, Theurgis, tagged the wurm and began kiting it away. IB then chose to pull the wurm off of Theurgis and kill it.

IB would like to see TMO blamed for their choice to pull the wurm off our trainer and kill it. Or maybe you think IB deserves some free dragons because Rachel took 800 damage?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd also like to address the Dottedup wurm at entrance since I figure IB people aren't getting the full story.

Dottedup desynced and trained a wurm to entrance and died. The wurm then attacked Rachel and did approximately 800 damage before a TMO necro, Theurgis, tagged the wurm and began kiting it away. IB then chose to pull the wurm off of Theurgis and kill it.

IB would like to see TMO blamed for their choice to pull the wurm off our trainer and kill it. Or maybe you think IB deserves some free dragons because Rachel took 800 damage?

Rachel is in TMO now correct? I think we deserve free dragons.

[Funkutron5000]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd also like to address the Dottedup wurm at entrance since I figure IB people aren't getting the full story.

Dottedup desynced and trained a wurm to entrance and died. The wurm then attacked Rachel and did approximately 800 damage before a TMO necro, Theurgis, tagged the wurm and began kiting it away. IB then chose to pull the wurm off of Theurgis and kill it.

IB would like to see TMO blamed for their choice to pull the wurm off our trainer and kill it. Or maybe you think IB deserves some free dragons because Rachel took 800 damage?

That was also while FE was raiding with IB and that particular incident was resolved between guilds, therefore should not have been petition-able.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to hear your excuse for 5 pullers being camped at Xygoz or for dottedup running right up to a wurm at zone in and walking it into our raid, those definitely seems like our fault.

I don't have an excuse, it was a mistake, and I'm not going to argue that it was fair. It's just a result of not coordinating who camps out at the dragon well enough. I will say though, that they were not camped at xygoz. Your fraps starts a long time after she spawns and pullers are still arriving halfway through the video. I believe your argument was "it takes longer than 40 seconds to run here from zone line, we tested it." Which is all fine and good, I agree with you. The rule is you can't have two people camped there, you don't need to exaggerate and say they were right there.

I'll tell you this though, FE/IB was guilty of the same exact thing numerous times, as was TMO during that time. Nobody back then really fought hard to enforce the 2 people past zone line thing. If we had 3-4 arrive at a dragon door at a questionable time it was just assumed the other guild was doing the same thing, as long as it wasn't blatant. You were put in a situation where you had to use that fraps and I don't fault you for it. But I know for a fact it happened many MANY times before that, on both sides. Imo this isn't really comparable to purposely camping an entire raid halfway through the zone. But that's what rules lawyers are for.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have an excuse, it was a mistake, and I'm not going to argue that it was fair. It's just a result of not coordinating who camps out at the dragon well enough. I will say though, that they were not camped at xygoz. Your fraps starts a long time after she spawns and pullers are still arriving halfway through the video. I believe your argument was "it takes longer than 40 seconds to run here from zone line, we tested it." Which is all fine and good, I agree with you. The rule is you can't have two people camped there, you don't need to exaggerate and say they were right there.

I'll tell you this though, FE/IB was guilty of the same exact thing numerous times, as was TMO during that time. Nobody back then really fought hard to enforce the 2 people past zone line thing. If we had 3-4 arrive at a dragon door at a questionable time it was just assumed the other guild was doing the same thing, as long as it wasn't blatant. You were put in a situation where you had to use that fraps and I don't fault you for it. But I know for a fact it happened many MANY times before that, on both sides. Imo this isn't really comparable to purposely camping an entire raid halfway through the zone. But that's what rules lawyers are for.

Layze's fraps began within 60 seconds of the mob spawning, and by the time he gets into Xygoz's lair theres already 3+ TMO coming out of the room. I know youre one of the few TMO on here that tends not to spin as hard as the others, but to suggest that the video is "a long time" after pop is disingenuous.

Also I believe the old dottedup fraps was used more to establish a history of raid interference rather than seek a punishment for that situation specifically.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Layze's fraps began within 60 seconds of the mob spawning, and by the time he gets into Xygoz's lair theres already 3+ TMO coming out of the room. I know youre one of the few TMO on here that tends not to spin as hard as the others, but to suggest that the video is "a long time" after pop is disingenuous.

Also I believe the old dottedup fraps was used more to establish a history of raid interference rather than seek a punishment for that situation specifically.

Pheer,

Hitpoint was on Fistn during this encounter. He actually confessed to IB leadership about his participation in breaking the rules while in TMO. This spin now, is just damage control. His confession is what really allowed the GMs to strong arm the new TMO. He was planning on leaving TMO a few weeks ago. But they served up more Kool Aid.