Question about xp penalty in groups

[Danth]

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The exp from every kill is reduced 68%.

Huh? I don't think you worded that correctly.

Experience is divided based on total experience of the characters in question. It doesn't matter what level mobs you kill; it works the same regardless. The game doesn't care what level you are either**, only how much experience you have. A Troll Shadow Knight has 68% more experience than a High Elf Cleric of the same level, so it receives proportionally more experience from a battle. However, since the Troll requires that much more experience to level, the two characters level at the same rate while grouped.

Try to keep your girlfriend's Cleric equal level or better relative to your Shadow Knight if possible. Increasing a character's experience total is the only way of improving its cut of the experience while grouped. The fastest way to level is to keep busy and minimize downtime. With a Shadow Knight/Cleric duo you'll tend to favor fighting undead when possible because it'll make your damage spells and fears more efficient.

**Assuming blue-con or higher mobs. Light blues or green monsters to the highest groupmate of course have diminished or no returns.

Danth

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? I don't think you worded that correctly.

Experience is divided based on total experience of the characters in question. It doesn't matter what level mobs you kill; it works the same regardless. The game doesn't care what level you are either**, only how much experience you have. A Troll Shadow Knight has 68% more experience than a High Elf Cleric of the same level, so it receives proportionally more experience from a battle. However, since the Troll requires that much more experience to level, the two characters level at the same rate while grouped.

Try to keep your girlfriend's Cleric equal level or better relative to your Shadow Knight if possible. Increasing a character's experience total is the only way of improving its cut of the experience while grouped. The fastest way to level is to keep busy and minimize downtime. With a Shadow Knight/Cleric duo you'll tend to favor fighting undead when possible because it'll make your damage spells and fears more efficient.

**Assuming blue-con or higher mobs. Light blues or green monsters to the highest groupmate of course have diminished or no returns.

Danth

The one thing I've never quite understood is, what happens if both characters group starting at level 1 and neither of them kills a single mob solo? It would stand to reason that they'd end up splitting the xp 50/50 because they both have 0 xp to start with. This would mean that the cleric would gain levels faster than the SK because their XP totals are the same, but the total xp required to level for the cleric is significantly lower than the SK. Eventually the cleric would outlevel the SK to the point where they couldn't gain xp together anymore.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The one thing I've never quite understood is, what happens if both characters group starting at level 1 and neither of them kills a single mob solo? It would stand to reason that they'd end up splitting the xp 50/50 because they both have 0 xp to start with. This would mean that the cleric would gain levels faster than the SK because their XP totals are the same, but the total xp required to level for the cleric is significantly lower than the SK. Eventually the cleric would outlevel the SK to the point where they couldn't gain xp together anymore.

An interesting corner case. I would be happy to spend a coupe hours testing it with you one day. It should work the way you are describing it though.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An interesting corner case. I would be happy to spend a coupe hours testing it with you one day. It should work the way you are describing it though.

I duo'd an enchanter and ranger from 45 to 52 exclusively. We level'd at the exact same rate.

And I'm sorry, I was incorrect on the Xp penalty thing. Lune hit the nail on the heal. The penalty class just takes a proportionally larger % of the exp in order to move the xp bar.

Wasn't there a web based calculator where you could put in everyone's level, class and race and it would tell you what % of the exp each person would get from each kill?

[drktmplr12]

I'm under the impression they are leveling together from 0 xp which is why I stated the cleric and sk would level a different rate. They should receive a 50/50 split of xp.. and continue to split down the middle since their total xp is equal. Different story otherwise.

Would be interesting to see exactly how experience is divided up in that case.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The one thing I've never quite understood is, what happens if both characters group starting at level 1 and neither of them kills a single mob solo? It would stand to reason that they'd end up splitting the xp 50/50 because they both have 0 xp to start with. This would mean that the cleric would gain levels faster than the SK because their XP totals are the same, but the total xp required to level for the cleric is significantly lower than the SK. Eventually the cleric would outlevel the SK to the point where they couldn't gain xp together anymore.

They probably put some exception in there for very low levels because if they didn't, a level 2 grouping with a level 1 would get all the exp and the level 1 zero.

[drktmplr12]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eventually the cleric would outlevel the SK to the point where they couldn't gain xp together anymore.

This wouldn't happen. If they leveled together.. once the cleric reached level 50, the SK would still be level 44.

The SK would be starting 56 by the time the Cleric finished 60.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eventually the cleric would outlevel the SK to the point where they couldn't gain xp together anymore.

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An interesting corner case. I would be happy to spend a coupe hours testing it with you one day. It should work the way you are describing it though.

Originally Posted by drktmplr12 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This wouldn't happen. If they leveled together.. once the cleric reached level 50, the SK would still be level 44.

The SK would be starting 56 by the time the Cleric finished 60.

Doesn't work like that. Level 1~ might be an exception because of oddities in the exp pool.

The experience system is implemented the way it is because the developers intended a group of people to be able to level together as a cohort, in spite of differences in leveling speed.

Individuals who require more experience to level consume a larger portion of the experience from any given mob, to the effect that a level 10 troll shadow knight and a level 10 high elf cleric will level at the same pace when grouped. As long as they stay grouped, the cleric will not outlevel the SK.

The F.A.Q and pie metaphor helps elucidate how XP sharing behaves when you have hybrids of different levels, etc, but the important thing to take away is that all members of a group gain experience at the same rate. The cleric would be level 50, and the SK would be level 50, as long as they stayed grouped.

At least, this is the way I understand it based on heaps of research and experience. Correct me if I'm wrong and you know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Gordon Wrinn

In regards to the sharing of the experience penalty, it was apparent in beta, before the penalty was shared, that those playing characters without an experience penalty leveled faster than those that did. It was obvious that this would occur, but it was to the extreme that a group of friends, all playing together, would become separated to the point that they could no longer group efficiently in the mid to upper-mid levels. So we chose to distribute experience in the group on the basis of the total experience of each member rather than the level, in order to keep groups together.

As such, a level 20 Troll SK, having more experience total than a Human Wizard of the same level, would get more experience from each kill, while the total experience for the kill was unchanged. Essentially, the SK would take part of the Wizard's share were everything distributed equally to begin with.

[baalzy]

Right, I was only saying/wondering in regards to if 2 people starting with 0 exp grouped together forever. They'd also have to never die, or else it would cause them to have unequal amounts of xp.

[Brocktree]

Regarding two chars that are always grouped. It should work like this and they will level at the exact same speed.

EX: SK needs 150 exp to level
Cleric needs 100 exp to level.

You kill a mob that nets 10 group exp, cleric gets 4 exp SK gets 6 exp. After 25 mobs, both of you ding. etc. etc.