Words Suck

[quido]

Says the guy with 1300 non-RnF posts in 2 months!

At least I do more with my posts than taste Nizzar's weiner

[Kronick]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says the guy with 1300 non-RnF posts in 2 months!

At least I do more with my posts than taste Nizzar's weiner

call the fireman someone just got burned

[Fuddwin]

Oh.. and I do love instrumentals... Triple post ftw...

[Derubael]

Is poetry stupid too?

Many songs are just poetry put to a melody. If the use of prose, metaphors, style, and rhythm to express an idea or feeling is not a valid or intelligent manner of expression, go ahead and throw out the majority of our literary works along with every song ever created.

Not saying all lyrics are good, poetry, or worth listening to, but to put a blanket statement of 'all song lyrics r dum' is wrong.

Or did I just get trolled?

[quido]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is poetry stupid too?

Many songs are just poetry put to a melody. If the use of prose, metaphors, style, and rhythm to express an idea or feeling is not a valid or intelligent manner of expression, go ahead and throw out the majority of our literary works along with every song ever created.

Not saying all lyrics are good, poetry, or worth listening to, but to put a blanket statement of 'all song lyrics r dum' is wrong.

Or did I just get trolled?

Listen to most songs without the actual music and you'll be saying to yourself "what the fuck am I doing?" Most songs would be a pathetic excuse for poetry. Poetry has been mostly a fad for the last 400 years anyways, not to say there's not some good stuff. My favorite poem is "La Belle Dame sans Merci." I only like it because of the brief story and the message it carries - reading it is honestly painful, and I think a real story would better serve the cause of its creation. Nontheless, I do enjoy some poetry! I have no issue with poetry itself, but to say most songs are just poetry with a melody is wrong. They're half-rate poetry put to half-rate music and the writers are usually hoping you're too stupid to realize that the individual constituents are crap. For some reason putting them together fools people into believing it's quality.

I'd still enjoy Journey - Don't Stop Believin' 99.999% as much if every syllable was "blah." If people could get over their inhibitions about what's cool, I think they would find that they could too!

song lyrics r dum

[Gnomersy]

Tupac was the literary genius of our generation. Rec-o-nize bruh.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

most songs

Originally Posted by Derubael

Many songs

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I don't disagree that there are an overwhelming number of stupid lyrics out there, but to put to say they are all dumb, unintelligent, or incapable of presenting a thought or feeling in a valid, expressive, and ultimately succinct way is wrong.

Music is art. Well, some music is art. And art is a way to express thought or feeling. How much you give or take from a particular set of lyrics in a song is dependent on how you view that art. Are you able to identify with the lyrics? Does the message speak to you? Are you moved by what you hear? I understand your statement of "if the lyrics can't stand alone, it's not an intelligent means of expression" and also assume you extend that to the music itself (IE, if the melody can't stand alone, the melody is probably shit), but I would firmly argue that the combination of these two things can expand a piece of music's influence and means of expression.

Would Beethoven's 5th be better with lyrics? No, but he was also a musical savant, and likely felt more comfortable expressing his feelings and thoughts through music rather than words.

To expand upon this, even Beethoven's most expressive pieces of music were succinct works of expression. If you can't describe, relate, or express an emotion in a short period of time, it is likely you don't understand the emotion or thought to begin with. To say that a 5 minute song with lyrics is incapable of expressing thought or emotion better than a piece of writing can is a subjective statement.

Furthermore, to say that lyrics alone cannot do what the written or spoken word can do is a fallacy, as lyrics are spoken words, and almost always written as well. To add upon this, if poetry is a valid or acceptable means (to you) of expression for thought or emotion, your entire argument just imploded because lyrics are poetry.

To summarize, yes, there are many stupid lyrics. There are some 'artists' who's entire career is built on stupid lyrics. But since lyrics, writing, and instrumental music meant to express or invoke emotion are almost entirely subjective works, it's impossible to say what's 'better' or 'worse' at completing this goal. The combination of melody and lyrics together can enhance a piece of musics overall ability to invoke an emotional response in the listener, or expand upon the songs method of expressing a thought or feeling. Lastly, stating that the written or spoken word is better at accomplishing this goal than a set of lyrics is a cyclical argument, as lyrics are often both written and spoken.

tl;dr? Saying all lyrics are stupid or that written/spoken/instrumental expression of thought or emotion is a 'better' medium, is stupid.

still pretty sure i got trolled, but I'm bored today so I thought i'd play ball [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mac Dretti]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I don't disagree that there are an overwhelming number of stupid lyrics out there, but to put to say they are all dumb, unintelligent, or incapable of presenting a thought or feeling in a valid, expressive, and ultimately succinct way is wrong.

Music is art. Well, some music is art. And art is a way to express thought or feeling. How much you give or take from a particular set of lyrics in a song is dependent on how you view that art. Are you able to identify with the lyrics? Does the message speak to you? Are you moved by what you hear? I understand your statement of "if the lyrics can't stand alone, it's not an intelligent means of expression" and also assume you extend that to the music itself (IE, if the melody can't stand alone, the melody is probably shit), but I would firmly argue that the combination of these two things can expand a piece of music's influence and means of expression.

Would Beethoven's 5th be better with lyrics? No, but he was also a musical savant, and likely felt more comfortable expressing his feelings and thoughts through music rather than words.

To expand upon this, even Beethoven's most expressive pieces of music were succinct works of expression. If you can't describe, relate, or express an emotion in a short period of time, it is likely you don't understand the emotion or thought to begin with. To say that a 5 minute song with lyrics is incapable of expressing thought or emotion better than a piece of writing can is a subjective statement.

Furthermore, to say that lyrics alone cannot do what the written or spoken word can do is a fallacy, as lyrics are spoken words, and almost always written as well. To add upon this, if poetry is a valid or acceptable means (to you) of expression for thought or emotion, your entire argument just imploded because lyrics are poetry.

To summarize, yes, there are many stupid lyrics. There are some 'artists' who's entire career is built on stupid lyrics. But since lyrics, writing, and instrumental music meant to express or invoke emotion are almost entirely subjective works, it's impossible to say what's 'better' or 'worse' at completing this goal. The combination of melody and lyrics together can enhance a piece of musics overall ability to invoke an emotional response in the listener, or expand upon the songs method of expressing a thought or feeling. Lastly, stating that the written or spoken word is better at accomplishing this goal than a set of lyrics is a cyclical argument, as lyrics are often both written and spoken.

tl;dr? Saying all lyrics are stupid or that written/spoken/instrumental expression of thought or emotion is a 'better' medium, is stupid.

still pretty sure i got trolled, but I'm bored today so I thought i'd play ball [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmm

[quido]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To say that a 5 minute song with lyrics is incapable of expressing thought or emotion better than a piece of writing can is a subjective statement.

Incapable? I fully acknowledge they could, however, they don't! Two half-ass halves don't make a quality whole.

Stay tuned for my new album - we will be reciting Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice against some tacky dubstep - surely we'll sell millions

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Listen to most songs without the actual music and you'll be saying to yourself "what the fuck am I doing?" Most songs would be a pathetic excuse for poetry. Poetry has been mostly a fad for the last 400 years anyways, not to say there's not some good stuff. My favorite poem is "La Belle Dame sans Merci." I only like it because of the brief story and the message it carries - reading it is honestly painful, and I think a real story would better serve the cause of its creation. Nontheless, I do enjoy some poetry! I have no issue with poetry itself, but to say most songs are just poetry with a melody is wrong. They're half-rate poetry put to half-rate music and the writers are usually hoping you're too stupid to realize that the individual constituents are crap. For some reason putting them together fools people into believing it's quality.

I'd still enjoy Journey - Don't Stop Believin' 99.999% as much if every syllable was "blah." If people could get over their inhibitions about what's cool, I think they would find that they could too!

song lyrics r dum

so you like the keats poem where a man seduces a naked child (she's 14), kidnaps her, and promises marriage based upon a superstitious ritual that she did in order to find her true love.