Why aren't rogues top DPS?

[yaeger]

Originally Posted by Sckrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm constantly top-DPS along with other rogues in raids, sometimes only out-DPS'd by Monks. Not sure where you're getting your info from?

Just raids?

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by Sckrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm constantly top-DPS along with other rogues in raids, sometimes only out-DPS'd by Monks. Not sure where you're getting your info from?

Monks ARE slightly higher in general, pulling aside; but that doesn't mean the end of the world for rogues.Rogues are the 2nd-best dps classic in classic with good gear, and I think with the very best gear they come in even with the best geared monks, and will pass us in kunark. They currently do 2-3x the dps of a monk when the monk is pulling. Rogues are fine.

...We both lose to charmed pets though T_T - that cleric of innoruuk put up 65 dps, and the abhorrent is average 40, and high for any melee is 36, I think. And the unnamed melee had wolf form [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is all hate, numbers in fear are always about 55% of the numbers in hate.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Wanna be top dps, be monks!

[yaaaflow]

In a group with a reasonably good tank and healer rogues are top dps, for sure. With all the utility sneak/hide gives rogues they are sweet to have around. Whoever told you they are bad is wrong

[Humwawa]

According to devs, the four "pure" classes - hunters, warlocks, mages, and rogues - should out-damage the hybrid specs in Patchwerk-style raid encounters.

...I really don't think exp groups give a crap who they have in a group, so long as there's a healer, a tank, and something that looks like it's doing something to hurt the kobolds/crocodiles/orcs/whatever. AS for raids, rogues are valuable. All classes can be valuable. Don't sweat the "who is better at what" nonsense and just enjoy the class you play.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to devs, the four "pure" classes - hunters, warlocks, mages, and rogues - should out-damage the hybrid specs in Patchwerk-style raid encounters.

Wtf is this mumbo-jumbo.

Anyways, with all melee characters, there's this thing called gear progression. Mages have the advantage of not having a gear progression, they get new spells as they level and that's the vast majority of their dps (the other being getting a pet focus item which is easy as hell). When you're leveling up to 50, you usually don't have bone razors and RBBs thrown at your feet, so you have low to mid tier gear progression. Whereas a mage is pretty much always at the top tier of their dps by the simple virtue that they have levels (and thus spells). Replace any other caster with mage obviously, but I'm just saying mage because they're the big dps caster.

Something strange happens at level 50. You no longer get spells through "level progression" which means a mage is going to cap out at the same time they hit raiding. However, a rogue continues to raise their dps until they're #1 in the game. In a fully geared out raid situation, your rogues should be sitting in the top positions, even on P99.

However, if this was truly 1999, those same rogues would be below a lot of other classes. Rogues were horrible in true classic, and they actually perform as they should here, so that might be a source of confusion I guess.

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wtf is this mumbo-jumbo.

It's my way of gently making fun of class balance arguments/complaints.

[Noleafclover]

Mages aren't the big DPS caster, mod rods only hit for 275 or so (I'm a monk, IDK the numbers) Starshot does a pretty good amount of damage to Kolevii every raid though, maybe I'm wrong.

I'd be kinda interested to see what some of the best geared rogues parse at, in a plane of hate raid.

Also, kinda sad to say there's a short ending to melee scaling in classic. At 150 or so str w/ a bard in group, or 188 (not really feasible w/o the best gear), you're done as a monk. Sure you could up your dex for a mild increase, but you'd be better going for hp/ac.

Spose rogues have it a little better, or at least different. 188 str is easy for ya'll, from what I hear, and it's just about the weaps.

Neither of us get an upgrade from cloak of flames or bassoon hastes or anything in a raid, if it's anything like live. Sorry to kill whoever's dreams [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Steelwarrior and monklybusiness and other parses showed like a 72% cap

[Kastro]

Originally Posted by Noleafclover [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages aren't the big DPS caster, mod rods only hit for 275 or so (I'm a monk, IDK the numbers) Starshot does a pretty good amount of damage to Kolevii every raid though, maybe I'm wrong.

I'd be kinda interested to see what some of the best geared rogues parse at, in a plane of hate raid.

Also, kinda sad to say there's a short ending to melee scaling in classic. At 150 or so str w/ a bard in group, or 188 (not really feasible w/o the best gear), you're done as a monk. Sure you could up your dex for a mild increase, but you'd be better going for hp/ac.

Spose rogues have it a little better, or at least different. 188 str is easy for ya'll, from what I hear, and it's just about the weaps.

Neither of us get an upgrade from cloak of flames or bassoon hastes or anything in a raid, if it's anything like live. Sorry to kill whoever's dreams [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Steelwarrior and monklybusiness and other parses showed like a 72% cap

Ragebringer is 41 Haste... Monk epic is clicky bard haste?

[Noleafclover]

presently. 72 or 74 or w.e becomes 100 in kunark