Convince me to red99

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought it meant "As close to classic as we possibly can" but clearly i was mistaken

I ripped the Red99 PnP straight from SoE's original pvp PnP.

Originally Posted by http://www.angelfire.com/ut/Angelque/rules1.html posted 3/14/2000

The PvP Servers are a special case for many of the policies listed here. When one makes the decision to play on a PvP Server, they are in essence agreeing to play on a server where compromise is decided on the basis of who has the power to kill whom.

By the same token, we expect that the people on those servers will apply PvP combat in all situations where it is called for, as a resolution to the problem. As such, the EverQuest Customer Service Staff will decline to intervene in cases where a PvP alternative exists, such as at disputed spawns where the parties involved have the ability to attack each other.

Though the PvP environment does eliminate a few of the problems experienced on the normal servers, there are a few more PvP-specific problems that are created.

Bind-point/Corpse Camping
Killing someone over and over again while at his or her bind-point or while they are in the process of retrieving their corpse is illegal and will result in a warning when witnessed by an EQCSR. You are expected in all cases to give someone a reasonable amount of time to recover their corpse an leave the area prior to attacking again.

Conversely, the person recovering their corpse is expected to do so and retreat to safety promptly. In other words, sitting next to your corpse and taunting someone while daring them to attack you so that you can /petition them is bad form, and would result in a warning if witnessed by an EQCSR.

The EQCSR in attendance will decide what is reasonable in these cases. It is highly recommended that the people involved make equitable arrangements prior to involving the EverQuest Customer Service Staff.

This would imply that if a situation can't be resolved through PvP (IE, and OOR lvl 60 killsteals from a lvl 20 player), it would be subject to the regular PnP (no killstealing)

This is further reinforced from this post:

Originally Posted by Wayback machine, June 5, 2002, [url

http://web.archive.org/web/20020605114204/http://eqlive.station.sony.com/library/sz_rule_sets.jsp][/url]

On Rallos Zek, PvP-related Play Nice Policy situations are expected to be resolved using PvP solutions. However, Non PvP-related Play Nice Policy issues, such as training, causing intentional experience loss, bind point, zone, and portal camping, as well as other various forms of harassment, are not permitted in the PvP environment.

While corpse camping is no longer illegal, corpse camping someone until the point where his or her corpse decays is considered harassment, and will be treated as such.

This post references the Firiona Vie server, which means it was created after October 2001, 2 months before Luclin release. The "No longer illegal" part would imply that prior to this post, corpse camping was illegal in all forms, as per the original PnP posted above.

So... classic? I'd say so.

edit: added in that little section about bind point/CC'ing for all of you LnS haters.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I ripped the Red99 PnP straight from SoE's original pvp PnP.



This would imply that if a situation can't be resolved through PvP (IE, and OOR lvl 60 killsteals from a lvl 20 player), it would be subject to the regular PnP (no killstealing)

This is further reinforced from this post:



This post references the Firiona Vie server, which means it was created after October 2001, 2 months before Luclin release. The "No longer illegal" part would imply that prior to this post, corpse camping was illegal in all forms, as per the original PnP posted above.

So... classic? I'd say so.

We should also enforce the portion that disallows the pvp engagement of a raid force mid fight if the opposing force is insufficient to kill the raid mob. This will be of extreme importance come velious where a few people can being fifty plus to a halt.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We should also enforce the portion that disallows the pvp engagement of a raid force mid fight if the opposing force is insufficient to kill the raid mob. This will be of extreme importance come velious where a few people can being fifty plus to a halt.

Holy shit heartbrand, thats blue as fuck buddy, so blue. I mean thats what you get for enforcing stuff that wasnt enforced on Rallos. Its like youre getting them used to being buttersoft and petitioning for every little thing instead of thickening their skin and letting players resolve issues between themselves 98% of the times.

Imagine 10 guys coming over from another game, new to EQ leveled up on red having fun, seeing heartbrand and his crew engaging a mob they dont know. They decide theyre going to fuck with heartbrands group because PVP. Youre telling me they gotta alt tab to a wiki to check out the mobs HP or what the unintuitive fuck ever, bust out the pocket calculator to see if they can PVP players in front of them? Just lol

Im not pulling shit out of my ass, i myself have no clue whatsoever what the Velious raid mobs are, how many players you need to engage them, etc.

[Derubael]

Shouldn't have even responded to that.

Duckwalk, come on over, Red's great, and a lot of fun.

[Colgate]

wait, if some level 40 is farming golem wands, i'm not allowed to kill the mob?

are you fucking serious?

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wait, if some level 40 is farming golem wands, i'm not allowed to kill the mob?

are you fucking serious?

lol the ramifications of PnP have clearly been thought through multiple times

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wait, if some level 40 is farming golem wands, i'm not allowed to kill the mob?

are you fucking serious?

From what I understand, if you're farming golem wands and someone wants your spot, they can only do one of two things,
1)Kill you
2)Ask you for it
If the person contesting is oor, they can do option number 2, or call someone that is in range to try to take the camp from you. You can then tell them to get lost. Pretty much the same as before
The part about not kill stealing is that you can't just nab mobs from someone that is oor. I don't know who wastes their time doing that anyway though.

[Tassador]

let people grow we want 200 pop. fucking euros got 70 online in the morning.

[Tradesonred]

Corpse camping, training was so rampant and unpunished on Rallos that i never knew it was illegal until i read forums here. I mean it wasnt like people were gonna sit on your corpse for hours, but u knew if you went back to your corpse right away, good chances the guy was still there waiting for you. So youd make a sandwich, log an alt so the guy would get bored and leave.

So your classic experience where GMs rarely if ever applied these rules, and your experience on red99 where GMs are actually looking for people breaking these rules, will vary greatly.

You could not spend a day in Oasis without reading "Spectres to docks" or seeing someone training giants around. It was part of my classic experience on Rallos. You had to look for giants because some people trained em. You had to be on the ball.

Shit you should have seen the insane amount of corpses at the rathe zone line as people were dragging the undead dragon there during the halloween event of 2001, who had a one hit AOE for me as a lvl12 wiz. Theres no way a GM wasnt watching all this and no warning was ever issued in OOC or through yellow text.

Some guy corpse camping my bind point on my wiz on rallos then asking me to port him to EC and hell stop? Sure! Port the fucker to dreadlands, highfive bro!

I mean technically youre probably right

But you know, camping portals against PnP? lol gotta be kidding, Gfay portal was camped 24/7 just had to hope you werent in range. It would never have occured to me in a million years to petition some guy who engaged me as i zoned in through the Gfay portal. Again its probably not that people would sit at the portal for 8 hours to grief anybody that came through. They were doing probably what i was doing. Got a new piece of gear to sell, zone in to gfay to see if one of the trading mules wanted to buy it. While you were there, camp the portal a little to see if some nemesis of yours was gonna port in, then go somewhere else.

[heartbrand]

self serving & blue yes